Talk:Regina Subsector

Population Numbers (2014)

The planetary sizes were changed to comply more closely with known science(i.e. Feri now has a diameter of 5),and are now canon.The population numbers,if one adds by the Spinward Marches Campaign stellar data,do not come close to adding up to the original 165.6 billion listed.The figure is closer 63-65 billion and that includes 7 billion for Ruie.I guess I am wondering why they do not change that.

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The T5SS also adjusted a few population numbers too, but the wiki has not been updated with the new numbers. If you pull the Subsector summary, regina is noted as having a population of 67.4 billion. Someone needs to go through the subsector articles for the Spinward Marches and update those articles.

Notes (2007)

Take a look, would this be the "norm" for subsector entries?

One possible thing to add (actually a change to the template) would be to include the subsectors on the diagonal (Rim-trailing, spin-trailing....)

Sstefan

I would not have the patience to put in all that ascii artwork. Plus this has the same issue that the map template has, which is that it is too wide unless your screen is 1024x or similar

The diagonal subsectors would be okay, but to be consistant you would need to carry that up to the sector level, and if this was done as the norm, I don't think you would have space to do so. Dcorrin 13:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I dislike the ASCII art subsector design. It's much too large for the information it presents. If you think the notations for the gas giants and starports are important, I wouldn't be too hard to add them to the name text for the Template: InfoboxSubsector. However adding the diagonal subsector names should be possible, but it is more text to add to each template. Tjoneslo 13:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Rather than be negative about this... I understand why you would like the ASCII map, because you can simply cut and paste from Zhodani Base site (which has a generator for them), rather than the laborous process of entering each one by hand. So I'd make a proposal: If you find a subsector which you feel needs a map, add the ASCII map (because it's easy) so people can see it. But also tag it with a [[Category: Article needs InfoboxSubsector updated]]. This will make it easy for me (or other kind update person) to find and make the article the way the general consensus wants it to be. Tjoneslo 14:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I did try to make the ASCII map smaller by reducing the hex size, but all that has to be done one line at a time (which does end up being a nightmare). If I could figure a way to reduce the font size of the ASCII map then the display shoud fit on most screens. My primary motivation was to show a hex format for the subsector map, rather than try to figure out the half-hex square blocks on the top and bottom of the alternate rows.

That being said... what is the general consensus? It seems the three of us are the ones "driving this bus"... SStefan

Fix the size by using a div tag with a style="font-size:xx-small". See the updated article. Tjoneslo 20:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I want the infoboxes because they provide a great deal of data to the user, and the ascii hex map may be useful for that, but it should be part of the overall subsector infobox: see Sandbox/InfoboxSubsector for an example of the two integrated. That's using font-size:xx-small. You can get it smaller (using fixed point sizes) but the whole thing disappears into illegibility. So unless and until we can get the ASCII layout to be as small as the table version, I'd like to not use the ASCII version.

Another option may be imagemaps. The imagemap tag has recently been added to the Wika codebase. Setting up imagemaps more typing than the InfoboxSubsector tables are, but it would allow using really nice looking graphic images for our clicking.Tjoneslo 20:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I have no issue with a re-design of the subsector template, but the use of the table with the alternate 1/2 height boxes to give the illusion of the hex layout was the best I could do, and I don't think it comes out too badly. An imagemap would be good, and may be able to be templated, (I don't know the specifics of generating the imagemap coordinates, but if it is similar to html, then one just specifies the x/y of the rectangles, and a fixed size image would simplify that - Of course we would need a utility to generate that image for each subsector). Dcorrin 13:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I've updated the Sandbox/InfoboxSubsector to use a jpg image generated from Galactic and started on the image map. Only Efate and Alell are clickable, but it does give an idea of what this would look like. I know that H&E generates subsector images as well as several online generators. So getting the images isn't the problem though I would like to all use the same one. Feedback on this? Tjoneslo 14:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks great; makes me wonder how difficult and time consuming it will be to add the links. On thought might be to make all the available hexes (80 of them) clickable on the template..and only enter a link to the ones that are occupied.

In general I think this is the best looking design idea. Sstefan

I also like the look of this, Is this a screen capture of the image, or an output file (I don't recall that there was an image output - but I may be wrong). I see you have defined the clickable regions as hexes: poly 33 168 57 168 66 189 57 210 33 210 22 189 [[Efate (world)|Efate]] so replacing the world link with a [[{{{h0101}}} (world)|]] and enclosing the entire line in an if statement for all possible worlds would just mean that the work had to be done the first time, assuming that the image size was always exactly the same. (I don't know if the size of the page download or the processing of 80 directives would be a significant overhead). Dcorrin 17:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

This is an image output from Galactic (when you have the subsector displayed, press F10, it generates a .BMP file, which needs to be converted to a JPG file). The MS Paint program does a terrible job of converting BMP to JPEGs, and there are a number of converters out there that will probably do a better job.

As long as we all agree to use JPEGs converted from Galactic screen dumps for the images, it will be simple (though time consuming) to fix the template to accept this.

Unless there are objections, I will create a new Template: InfoboxSubsectorImage this weekend and attempt to have all the links on it, and make it easy(ier) to add worlds to the map. Tjoneslo 20:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I have no objections, other than the fact that I will spend part of the weekend painting door and floor trim molding (scratch one more from the honey-do list). Ssstefan

No Template: InfoboxSubsectorImage at this time. Apparently the imagemap tag does not play nice with the template substitutions (i.e. some will crash the PHP wiki process). So at some later time when the imagemap gets fixed, lets revisit this issue. I really like the idea of using the images for the subsector, but for right now they need to be hard coded, which can be time consuming. Tjoneslo 03:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Map Graphic (2007)

Some time ago, I made myself a new Spinward Marches map that I think came out well. [1]

Here is what the Regina subsector came out looking like. If the wiki's interested, I can see about presenting whatever info you'd like on them and tweaking the size, and hopefully providing some really nice maps for the Spinward Marches (other sectors would take a while ~_^ ). Anyway just offering as most of a very big (non-automated) project is already done. --Rindis 07:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

This new graphic is looking very good. (I do have some suggestions for some tweaking (see Image talk:Map Key.jpg). Dcorrin 13:49, 23 October 2007 (UTC)