Talk:Tech Level Comparison Chart/meta

Traveler and GURPS TLs (2018)

When referencing TLs in this section one has to be careful one is using the correct system as past Traveler TL-8 the GURPS TL system is very broad in what it covers. If one looks at the Tech Level Comparison Chart itself it is clear GURPS 4e TL9^-10^ covers Traveler Quality of Life TL 8 though 20, Transportation TL 9 to 21, and Military Technology TL 9 though 21.

So when GURPS Interstellar Wars says 'TL10 represents the “Imperial standard” technology' it is talking about it on its scale not Traveler's. In terms of Traveler TLs, per the conversion chart, this is 10 though 20 in Quality of Life, 12+ in Transportation, and 10+ in military technology.--BruceGrubb (talk) 10:06, 5 May 2018 (EDT)

Since this is the metadata page, when we discuss other game system (like GURPS) we should use the standards of terminology and formatting of that game system. It's not like Traveller is entirely internally consistent about the TL scale. Tjoneslo (talk) 12:21, 5 May 2018 (EDT)

I have tried that but User talk:Maksim-Smelchak keeps reverting stuff. For example GURPS TLs are TLx while here TL-x is used for Traveler TLs. IMHO using the same format for both Traveler and GURPS TL IMHO just confuses people....which defeats the whole purpose of a meta page.

In fact, TL11+ in GURPS 4e can be anything ranging from Traveler TL-12 (Ultra-Tech) on up. So GURPS TL11 can be Traveler TL-12, Traveler-19, or anything between the two. And that is without throwing in GURPS' superscience category which is "off" the GURPS TL scale entirely. This is why Azoth-7 can have fast interstellar travel (ie Jump Drives; Traveler TL-9) at TL4^ in GURPS 4e. Turttledove's short story "Road not Taken" gives a rough idea what such a civilization would look like. In terms of "standard" Traveler TLs they would get their clocks cleaned by anybody TL-7 or higher.--BruceGrubb (talk) 15:20, 5 May 2018 (EDT)