Template talk:InfoboxShip

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Notes (2018)

Ship 1 Stock Template (Alphabetized): 

{{InfoboxShip
|name     = 
|alsosee  = 
|architect= TBD
|caption  = 
|cargo    = 
|crew     = 
|cost     = 
|IOC      = TBD
|enlisted = TBD
|footnote = TBD
|g        = 
|hp       = 
|hpass    = 
|image    = Imperial Sunburst-Sun-IISS-Traveller.gif
|jump     = 
|lpass    = 
|marines  = TBD
|model    = TBD
|officers = TBD
|origin   = Third Imperium
|QSP      = TBD
|size     = 
|tdes     = 
|TL       = 
|type     = 
|usp      = TBD
|manufacturer= Various
}}

Experimental Ship 2 Stock Template (Alphabetized w/definitions): 

{{InfoboxShip
│Name     =
│agility  = TBD
│armor    = (Armor type in tons)
│bridge   = TBD
│caption  = TBD
│cargo    = (in tons)
│compTL   = TBD
│cost     = TBD MCr
│crew     = TBD
│dateIOC  = (Initial Operational Capacity)
│defense  = (major defensive systems)
│footnote = TBD
│fuel     = TBD
│fuelproc = TBD
│G        = Maneuver / Sublight Drive (Sublight)
│Hp       =
│Hpass    = (HiPass)
│Hullcnfig= [per architect guides] 
│image    = [[file: Imperial Sunburst-sun-IISS-Traveller.gif]]
│jump     = Jump Drive (JumpDriv)
│Lpass    = (LoPass)
│Maneuver = Will replace G in InfoBoxShip2
│Mpass    = (MedPass)
│size     = [in tons]
│smallcrft= TBD
│stealth  = TBD
│streamlne= TBD 
│Tdes     = Type
│TL       = Tech
│type     = Military
│weaponry = Offensive systems.
│manufacturer= TBD
}}

Experimental Ship 2 Stock Template (Alphabetized): 

{{InfoboxShip
│Name     = TBD
│agility  = TBD
│armor    = TBD
│bridge   = TBD
│caption  = TBD
│cargo    = TBD
│compTL   = TBD
│cost     = TBD
│crew     = TBD
│dateIOC  = TBD
│defense  = TBD
│footnote = TBD
│fuel     = TBD
│fuelproc = TBD
│G        = TBD
│Hp       = TBD
│Hpass    = TBD
│Hullcnfig= TBD
│image    = [[file: Imperial Sunburst-sun-IISS-Traveller.gif]]
│jump     = TBD
│Lpass    = TBD
│Maneuver = TBD
│Mpass    = TBD
│size     = TBD
│smallcrft= TBD
│stealth  = TBD
│streamlne= TBD 
│Tdes     = Type
│TL       = TBD
│type     = TBD
│weaponry = TBD
│manufacturer= TBD
}}

Edits and additions to the Template (2019)

Maksim, you asked me to add a few things to both the template and the underlying cargo tables. In reading through the existing template I have found a number of changes that could be made. I'm putting the list here for discussion:

  • Aerodynam: Since every rule set refers to this as Streamline, I think that make a better parameter name than the truncated Aerodynam.
  • Architect: In the original this was the Architect fee, part of the cost of creating a ship. Not all ship design system include this as a calculation. I am re-asserting this parameter as the fee (in MCr).
  • Canon: In all the other templates this is a simple Yes/No flag. I'm going to assume this is true here too.
  • Cost: Pedantically, this should be price, but every system uses Cost. There are three parts to the cost of a ship: Architect fees, price singly, and price in quantity. I've seen several ships trying to put both into this field. Cost will be assumed to be for singly, and add a costQuantity field. And architect parameter will hold the Architect fee.
  • Designer: The designer is a new parameter, holding the name of the person who created the design (if known). e.g. Ronald Klein. The ref parameter is for book references.
  • Design System: The designSystem is a new parameter. This holds the name of the design system used for the original design. e.g. Book 2, High Guard, MT, GT: Starships, T5, FF&S1, FF&S2, etc. The different design systems can produce different results.
  • Hpass / Lpass: These are assumed to be Staterooms and Low Berths (respectively). Some designs include barracks between these two. And small-craft may have seats (think airplane).
  • Illustration: Like Canon and Blueprint this will be a simple Yes/No flag
  • IOC : I wish the linked page would explain the IOC refers to year of starting operation. This will be only a year. Is there a corresponding term for when the ship leaves service?
- Tjoneslo (talk) 23:23, 23 May 2019 (EDT)

Thank you for all of your hard work and brainstorming.

  • I will respond back later.
  • Great ideas!
- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 13:51, 24 May 2019 (EDT)

Modest Update Proposals

Thomas, feedback: Why don't we proceed with two new updates:

  1. InfoboxShip2: A gradual update of the older template along very modest lines.
  2. InfoboxShip3: A more differentiated update of the template with the ideas you have presented which are quite excellent.

InfoboxShip3:
All of the ideas should be implemented exactly as you have proposed.

  • Aerodynam: Since every rule set refers to this as Streamline, I think that make a better parameter name than the truncated Aerodynam.
  • Architect: In the original this was the Architect fee, part of the cost of creating a ship. Not all ship design system include this as a calculation. I am re-asserting this parameter as the fee (in MCr).
  • Canon: In all the other templates this is a simple Yes/No flag. I'm going to assume this is true here too.
  • Cost: Pedantically, this should be price, but every system uses Cost. There are three parts to the cost of a ship: Architect fees, price singly, and price in quantity. I've seen several ships trying to put both into this field. Cost will be assumed to be for singly, and add a costQuantity field. And architect parameter will hold the Architect fee.
  • Designer: The designer is a new parameter, holding the name of the person who created the design (if known). e.g. Ronald Klein. The ref parameter is for book references.
  • Design System: The designSystem is a new parameter. This holds the name of the design system used for the original design. e.g. Book 2, High Guard, MT, GT: Starships, T5, FF&S1, FF&S2, etc. The different design systems can produce different results.
  • Hpass / Lpass: These are assumed to be Staterooms and Low Berths (respectively). Some designs include barracks between these two. And small-craft may have seats (think airplane).
  • Illustration: Like Canon and Blueprint this will be a simple Yes/No flag
  • IOC : I wish the linked page would explain the IOC refers to year of starting operation. This will be only a year. Is there a corresponding term for when the ship leaves service?

InfoboxShip2 (IBS2):
This would ideally be a more modest update:

  • Aerodynam: Since every rule set refers to this as Streamline, I think that make a better parameter name than the truncated Aerodynam.
    • IBS2 would leave this alone without changes.
  • Architect: .Architect fee...
    • This will remain the designer in IBS2, I have been laboriously interviewing Marc to find these as in the Type S and am hesitant to update all of the templates.
  • Canon: In all the other templates this is a simple Yes/No flag. I'm going to assume this is true here too.
    • I would like to leave this as a text box rather than a boolian integer. Many of the entries have responses more complicated than y/n.
  • Cost: There are three parts to the cost of a ship: Architect fees, price singly, and price in quantity...
    • I am good with changes anyway you do it. It does makes sense as a three-part venture.
  • Designer: The designer is a new parameter, holding the name of the person who created the design (if known). e.g. Ronald Klein. The ref parameter is for book references.
    • I quite agree with you. Ref is for published sources... ideally. But, we still have homebrews to deal with.
  • Design System: The designSystem is a new parameter. This holds the name of the design system used for the original design. e.g. Book 2, High Guard, MT, GT: Starships, T5, FF&S1, FF&S2, etc. The different design systems can produce different results.
    • Brilliant.
  • Hpass / Lpass: These are assumed to be Staterooms and Low Berths (respectively). Some designs include barracks between these two. And small-craft may have seats (think airplane).
    • What do you think? I think we need to expand to this:
      • PassLP: Low Passage
      • PassMP: Middle Passage or Working Passage
      • PassHP: High Passage
      • PassFW: Frozen Watch
  • Illustration: Like Canon and Blueprint this will be a simple Yes/No flag
    • Ok.
  • IOC : I wish the linked page would explain the IOC refers to year of starting operation. This will be only a year. Is there a corresponding term for when the ship leaves service?
    • I updated the article awhile back. Added the other end of the equation:
      • [[]]
      • [[]]

Thanks!

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 21:06, 24 May 2019 (EDT)
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