Talk:Religion

Notes (2018)

Hey Bruce, this is Maksim from the wiki.

• You are not acquainted with some of the religions actually in Traveller. Please send me a PM so we can discuss.
• There's a lot to explore, much of it resembling your statements. You might enjoy learning about the greater body of knowledge that exists.
• The other thing is that the wiki has an in-universe tone. You are not maintaining that.
• Thank you for your contribution.

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 18:27, 12 May 2018 (EDT)

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Please see Manual of Style for our take on article content. Thanks. Tjoneslo (talk) 07:11, 13 May 2018 (EDT)

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I noticed the article had basically sat as a stub for over a year (19 April 2017‎) so I figured that the 32 year old information from Dragon #101 was better then what it had (ie something is better then the nothing there). It does raise the question regarding how well the author of that article knew Traveler or what the state of the game was 32 years ago.

- BruceGrubb (talk) 07:36, 13 May 2018 (EDT)

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It's great start and I appreciate your contributions, Bruce. Thank you very much!

• Even in that early period, there was more than the Drag Mag author stated.
• I really think we could benefit from some more communication. Creative exchange.
• You definitely have insights that I do not and vice-versa.

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 10:40, 13 May 2018 (EDT)

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GDW made an editorial decision early not to have much discussion of religion in Traveller. I thought there was an editorial comment in JTAS (the print version) about it and couldn't find it. I went looking through the JTAS online archives and found these three items:

We never dealt with some subjects because we didn't want to provoke a controversy. Religion is a good example – if we say the Third Imperium is atheistic, then we may offend many devoutly religious people. If we say the Imperium is Christian, then we may offend those of other religions. Religion is a topic we never covered in detail (we occasionally mention religions, but we never dealt with the question on an Imperium-wide basis), so we could leave the question up to the individual GM to decide.

Loren Wiseman, JTAS Online, Shoe Salesmen of the Third Imperium, published April 11, 2000

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Religion: Religion is a highly charged issue (indeed, the TML has just had its semi-annual science-vs.-religion flamewar*) that always seems to metastasize into a dozen smaller (but equally virulent) discussions. We've specified a few religions in various publications over the years, but we have never specified any "official" religion of the Imperium – and we never will. I leave such questions to the individual GMs to deal with or ignore as they see fit.

* I wish we could get a restraining order – "Religion must stay at least 1,000 yards away from science at all times." It would save a lot of wasted electrons, and let the TML get back to important discussions, like the infamous near-C rock-dropping argument.

Loren Wiseman, JTAS Online, Hot-button, published February 13, 2001

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Those of us who worked at GDW liked to get together, away from work, from time to time. We'd gather at a central location (often Frank's house) for dinner and conversation, bringing friends, significant others, and assorted "hangers on" (as we used to call them). Since we had learned to stay from religion and politics,* our gatherings focused on the same conversational topics: history (mostly military history) and science fiction.

* We agreed to disagree on these subjects. Some people enjoy discussing them with friends, but we discovered that we could not do so without arousing great anger in all concerned.

Loren Wiseman, JTAS Online, To each his own..., published February 5, 2002

Also, there are a fair number of stubs and placeholder articles hidden around the Wiki. I have it on my list of things to do to a review and fix them.

Finally, I going to update the article slightly to address the desire to keep primary articles in the "In-Game" perspective. Tjoneslo (talk) 14:02, 13 May 2018 (EDT)

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IMHO one can have religion in an RPG without turning it into a kind of a third rail. Look at D&D; even if you exclude the borrow from other sources religions, it had a rich mythology as early as the early 1980s unseen in many RPGs. Heck, the whole science-vs.-religion thing is relatively recent in the West. For a long time science was seen as just another tool for better understand God's creation and through that God himself. It was durning the Renaissance where things started going pearshaped until we have the "fun" mess that exists today.

--BruceGrubb (talk) 22:32, 13 May 2018 (EDT)

Notes (2017)

External Link: Religious-Monastic-Orders-in-Traveller?

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 16:09, 19 April 2017 (EDT)