Talk:Manual of Style/Sophont
Comments and suggestions for the new updates (2019)[edit]
Several comments and suggestions about the newly updates basic template:
1. Why are we including these dead parameters in the template?
|environ = > Terrain |extinct = Extant |lang = Unknown Native Language |socstrct = > Government |TLepoch = > epoch
These are no longer used, and the purpose of the current update to the sophonts is to fix the templates so they include the correct parameters.
2. Have a better summary paragraph:
The [[TBD]] of {{WorldS|Name|Sector|Hex [Primary]}} are a technologically <epoch> [[sophont]] species. They are a [[<status>]] with a [[<confluence>]] appearance.
The changes I'm recommending are:
- We should be using the T5 Sophont long name as the introduction. See T5.10 Book 3 p. 215. This is <name> of <world> ([primary]).
- In place of the word "sophisticated", I've been using a word based upon the epoch:
- TL0, TL:1-3 -> primitive
- TL:4-6 -> limited, developing
- TL:7-9 -> competent
- TL:10-12 -> sophisticated (the default if not known)
- TL:13-15 -> advanced
- Sophont should be a link.
- The second item should be part of a paragraph, not a one item list.
3.
This race is primarily located in the following areas:
This sentence reads better without the parenthetical comment.
4. Homeworld section could be cleaned up a little:
- No year in the Homeworld header. Homeworld isn't restricted to year.
The [[homeworld]] of this race is:
This sentence reads better without the parenthetical comment.- The homeworld should use the {{WorldS...}} template.
5.
Significant communities of this race are known to dwell...
This sentence reads better without the parenthetical comment.
6. No links in the headers.
7.{{LE|Races}} -> Use a shorter final set of categories. The category from the status parameter (e.g. [[Category: Minor Race]]) and [[Category: Sophont]] are included in the SophontData template. The rest of categories should be individual entries above this one.
Tjoneslo (talk) 15:36, 13 October 2019 (EDT)
Please explain why you want to revert the template and the work done to improve and expand the template.
- Which users are directly using these parameter?
- What is their use case? That is how are they accessing and using the parameters?
- I would like to better understand what these users are trying to do to ensure success in their projects as well. Tjoneslo (talk) 05:54, 7 November 2019 (EST)
Please be more specific about which authors are using this comment. I would like to understand their use of the comment to ensure the success of their projects. Tjoneslo (talk) 06:15, 7 November 2019 (EST)
As stated in other communications and based upon long professional work with web-spiders I am very skeptical of these claims.
- Web-spiders are capable of causing problems with the server if used incorrectly. This can cause problems with not only the wiki but other FFE web properties.
- If users are spidering the Wiki, please have them contact us at the wiki.
- I have methods of retrieving data from the wiki which are much quicker and make better use of the server resources.
- As above, I request more information about the use case; which users and what are they looking for by using this access method.