Editing Talk:Atmosphere

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== Translation (2020) ==
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== Links (2019) ==
# EXTERNAL LINK: [https://www.facebook.com/groups/travellerrpg/permalink/2469908999793927/ Article feedback request on FB #2 Many thanks to Andy Bigwood and Ade Stewart for their generous work on the atmosphere article at the Traveller RPG Wiki. Andy contributed a beautiful set of symbolic images for the various atmosphere codes and Ade Stewart has contributed both images, content, and other contributions to hundreds of articles. Please check out the latest update to the Atmo article!]
# EXTERNAL LINK: [https://www.facebook.com/groups/travellerrpg/permalink/2445216138929880/ Atmosphere Symbolics] by [[Andy Bigwood]]
# EXTERNAL LINK: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrial_skies?fbclid=IwAR2NUT-SO_mIEAMgHIsT9yPCI0p2_hKWKHYimj6tB8DkDG_cvWOwOnvHX1o Extraterrestrial_skies]
# EXTERNAL LINK: [https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthread.php?36944-Under-alien-skies&fbclid=IwAR196Jp6NMlp4Kz1qoF4Obnp7sfwQW3xFwIlKI6CjXPtJOCHBDPkDFCa790 Under alien skies]
# EXTERNAL LINK: [https://www.flickr.com/photos/25577499@N07/2414985731/?fbclid=IwAR1ZSxWsgMA5o7jZxDYNMZksu3ZTvk4f0VTmNoLNcmwKCaIWUmRzUYy72_c The Colours of Alien Skies]
# EXTERNAL LINK: [https://www.facebook.com/groups/579120828928516/permalink/1261837367323522/ I always loved this cover. The book itself set the gold standard for all subsequent attempts at world building. I still refer to it when I need a bit of extra detail or need a list of unusual atmospheres.]
# INNER LINK: [[Talk:Fringian Variant System Description]] "Typical Atmospheric Gases"
: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 16:05, 8 July 2019 (EDT)

== Links (2018) ==
# EXTERNAL LINK: [https://www.facebook.com/groups/travellerrpg/permalink/1749238901860944/ ...what is probably the most dangerous and reactive substance I've ever heard of: Chlorine Triflouride]
# EXTERNAL LINK: [https://www.facebook.com/groups/travellerrpg/permalink/1656817841103051/ Great video on detailing atmosphere building]
# EXTERNAL LINK: [https://www.facebook.com/groups/travellerrpg/permalink/1642035485914620/ Article feedback request on FB #1]
# EXTERNAL LINK: [https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-just-breached-the-410-ppm-threshold-for-co2/ CO2 Taint]  
# EXTERNAL LINK: [https://www.facebook.com/groups/travellerrpg/permalink/1537924009659102/   Was wondering what colour skies we would get with different atmospheres. ]
: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 06:13, 12 January 2018 (EST)

== Links (2017) ==
# External Link: [https://www.facebook.com/groups/travellerrpg/permalink/1411262712325233/ Can I ask what atmospheric taints people like using when they create world profiles?]
# External Link: [https://www.facebook.com/groups/travellerrpg/permalink/1404931236291714/ Retrotech environmental suits] 
: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 23:48, 19 August 2017 (EDT)

== Feedback (2018) ==
[[User:Tjoneslo]], how is the atmosphere article coming along? Is there anything missing that you have noticed so far? I am soliciting your feedback, please.
: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 10:04, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

:: It looks great. You seem to have gotten all the subtle differences between the different versions of Traveller.  
:: I would make two changes, and you should take this as ideas for improvement. 
:: I have an aversion to hand curated lists, like the equipment list at the end of the article. I would add a category to the items in the list, so other items could also be added later. Then have a template like the [[Template:ClusterWorlds]] to display the list. 
::: In thinking more about this option I suggest using a category name of the form "X equipment". For example "Atmosphere equipment". This would be extensible to (for example) "Vacuum World equipment" or "Water World equipment". Then more generalized to "Scout Survey equipment", and so on. Then the template becomes reusable across multiple articles as needed. 
:: Atmospheres have two broad definition points: Atmospheric pressure and composition. The article alludes to this at several points. I would make explicit at the top of the article with a table of pressure vs composition, which contains the values of the Traveller atmosphere types (names & codes). [[World Builder's Handbook]], [[First In]], and Exotic Atmospheres all make this explicit. This would make the whole article flow better. 
: - [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 14:41, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

== Humanocentrism (2018) ==
This would be a good example of the way Imperial society, while multicultural and multispecies, remains humanocentric or, at least Terracentric. The atmospheres listed as "standard" are atmospheres humans (and Vargr) tolerate the best while others are rated based on their similarity or dissimilarity to the standard.
: - M. Kerwin.

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Thank you for the great advice. I have crated an article on [[Conventional Life]] and am working towards that goal. Appreciate your advice.
: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 18:46, 24 April 2018 (EDT) 

=== Atmo Types  (2018) ===
# [[Corrosive Atmosphere]]
# [[Dense Atmosphere]]
# [[Ellipsoid Atmosphere]]
# [[Exotic Atmosphere]]
# [[High Pressure Atmosphere]]
# [[High Temperature Atmosphere]]
# [[Insidious Atmosphere]]
# [[Low Pressure Atmosphere]]
# [[Low Temperature Atmosphere]]
# [[Standard Atmosphere]] (Pressure, temperature, constituent gases, etc.)
# [[Tainted Atmosphere]]
# [[Thin Atmosphere]]
# [[Trace Atmosphere]]
# [[Vacuum]] (Interstellar medium)
# [[Very Thin Atmosphere]]

=== Atmospheric Taints (2017) ===
::[[Exotic Atmospheres|JTAS #17 (Insert): Special Supplement 2: Exotic Atmospheres]] contained not only Exotic Atmosphere types, but also a number of "taints" or "irritants" that don't rise to the level of being corrosive.  
::: --[[User:WHULorigan|WHULorigan]] ([[User talk:WHULorigan|talk]]) 14:01, 7 April 2018 (EDT)

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Several books describe tainted atmospheres. It has also been a semi-frequent topic of inquiry for referees looking for examples over the years.
: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 10:23, 7 April 2018 (EDT)

== Notes (2016) ==
'''''Note''''':  In both MgT and T5, Atmospheric Codes "E" and "F" have switched meanings.  Type "E" is now "Thin, Low", and Type "F" is now "Unusual" (which includes ellipsoidal, but is more broad in its application than this).  
* --[[User:WHULorigan|WHULorigan]] ([[User talk:WHULorigan|talk]]) 10:47, 24 April 2016 (EDT)

== Examples: planets of Solar System ==
[[Terra (system)]]:
* [[Mercury (SR 1827) (world)]] - [[Vacuum]] - [[TL-8]] required
* [[Venus (SR 1827) (world)]] - [[insidious atmosphere]] [[inferno world]] - [[TL-10]] required
* [[Terra (SR 1827) (world)]] - [[Standard Atmosphere]] - [[TL-0]] required
** [[Luna (SR 1827) (world)]] - [[Vacuum]] - [[TL-8]] required
* [[Mars (world)]] - [[Hell World]] (a relatively timid one, compared to rest of Terran System's Hellworlds) - unclear what TL is required; probably not higher than [[TL-8]]
* [[Asteroid Belt (SR 1827) (world)]] - [[Vacuum]] - [[TL-8]] required
* [[Jupiter (world)]] - [[Hell World]] (Gas Giant) - unclear what TL required to live directly on it
** Ring System, Io, Europa, Ganymede, Callisto - [[Vacuum]] - [[TL-8]] required
* [[Saturn (world)]] - [[Hell World]] (Gas Giant) - unclear what TL required to live directly on it
** Most of it's satelites are [[Vacuum]], requiring [[TL-8]]
* [[Uranus (world)]] - [[Hell World]] (Gas Giant) - unclear what TL required to live directly on it
** Most of it's satelites are [[Vacuum]], requiring [[TL-8]]
* [[Neptune (world)]] - [[Hell World]] (Gas Giant) - unclear what TL required to live directly on it
** Most of it's satelites are [[Vacuum]], requiring [[TL-8]]
* [[Kuiper Belt (world)]] - pretty much all of it is [[Vacuum]], requiring [[TL-8]]
** Most other objects in it - [[Orcus]], [[Pluto (world)]], [[Ixion]], [[Salacia]], [[Varuna]], [[Quaoar]], [[Haumea]], [[Ultima Thule (Arrokoth)]], [[Chaos]], [[Varda]], [[Makemake]], [[Eris]], and others - [[Vacuum]] - [[TL-8]].
* Settling "in the middle of nowhere" also would require [[TL-8]].

Essentially, that means what modern technology would be sufficient to settle pretty much anywhere; the problem is - modern rocket-building is still too crude, so flying anywhere costs lots of money, making it impractical. --[[Special:Contributions/95.71.91.65|95.71.91.65]] 15:28, 31 March 2024 (EDT)
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 :: It looks great. You seem to have gotten all the subtle differences between the different versions of Traveller.
 :: I would make two changes, and you should take this as ideas for improvement.
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 :: Atmospheres have two broad definition points: Atmospheric pressure and composition. The article alludes to this at several points. I would make explicit at the top of the article with a table of pressure vs composition, which contains the values of the Traveller atmosphere types (names & codes). [[World Builder's Handbook]], [[First In]], and Exotic Atmospheres all make this explicit. This would make the whole article flow better.
 : - [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 14:41, 28 April 2018 (EDT)
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-I like your idea. Go for it, not that you need my permission. I am trying to be encouraging and supportive. I value your contributions and ideas.
-: Please let me know how I can be supportive.
-: I am still working on coordinating the materials from [[World Builder's Handbook]], [[First In]], and others.
-: You may have noticed that I have been mapping out various ideas in publications one by one. It makes it easier to track and cite them.
-: I have a whole pile full of notes on Taints that I cam compiling and aggregating at the moment.
-: You are an important part of the team and I love it when you add your valuable viewpoint and ideas to our articles.
-: I am very good with you challenging anything that I do because I think it helps me to improve, which in turn helps us to improve the wiki. Thank you.
-: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 21:49, 28 April 2018 (EDT)
 == Humanocentrism (2018) ==