Talk:Hiver Calendar

OK, I've looked at CT AM7 and the Hiver calendar is totally screwed. The book says Glea rotates about its own axis once in "about 22 hours", a HF year is 143 cycles = 179 standard days. I'm going to have to work this out on a spreadsheet to get this to work. Gruffty ^{Hivers: If you tolerate us, then your children will be next...} 13:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

The Basics

OK: 1 Hiver day = 22 standard hours (according to CT AM7). On that basis:

• 11 standard days (of 24 standard hours each) equals 12 Hiver days (of 22 standard hours each) exactly;
• 264 standard hours (or 11 standard days) equals 12 Hiver days (of 22 standard hours each) exactly.

That's my starting point for sorting Teh Hivorz Kalenda Mesz out. Gruffty ^{Hivers: If you tolerate us, then your children will be next...} 13:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Ignore all of the above, I have changed tack to look at the HF year. Gruffty ^{Hivers: If you tolerate us, then your children will be next...} 13:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The Year

• A Hiver year = 179 standard days = 4,296 standard hours;
• 4,296 standard hours divided by 22 standard hours (per Hiver day) = 195.2727 Hiver days (of 22 standard hours each).
• A Hiver "day" is termed a "cycle" by the Hivers: 1 cycle = 1 day = 22 standard hours.
• 195.2727 Hiver days/cycles (of 22 standard hours each) = 1 Hiver year = 179 standard days = 4,296 standard hours.

However.... CT AM7 p. 15 states that Glea orbits New Primary every 358 days (i.e. 2 * 179 standard days). Thus the Hivers get 2 years for the price of one. Gruffty ^{Hivers: If you tolerate us, then your children will be next...} 13:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Ignore all of the above, I have changed tack to look at the HF year. Gruffty ^{Hivers: If you tolerate us, then your children will be next...} 13:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Slippage

It looks like Hiver years slip by a year for every 52 standard years. Each standard year = 2 Hiver years + 168 hours (7 standard days). So:

• 1 standard year = 2 HF years + 1 week
• 2 standard years = 4 HF years + 2 weeks
• 3 standard years = 6 HF years + 3 weeks

and so on. Gruffty ^{Hivers: If you tolerate us, then your children will be next...} 11:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Ignore all of the above, I have changed tack to look at the HF year. Gruffty ^{Hivers: If you tolerate us, then your children will be next...} 13:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Uh Oh

OK, so I've punched in the numbers and....it doesn't work:

• 22 standard hours * 143 cycles = 3146 standard hours;
• 179 standard days * 24 standard hours = 4296 standard hours;
• Difference = 1150 standard hours between standard hours for 24 hour days and standard hours for 22 hour days.

Option 1

Increase the number of cycles in a HF year, but keep a HF day/cycle at 22 hours:

• 22 standard hours * 195 cycles = 4296 standard hours;
• 179 standard days * 24 standard hours = 4296 standard hours;
• Difference = +52 cycles against 143 originally.

Option 2

Increase the number of standard hours in a HF day/cycle, but keep 143 days/cycles per HF year:

• 30.04195804 standard hours * 143 cycles = 4296 standard hours;
• 179 standard days * 24 standard hours = 4296 standard hours;
• Difference = +8.041958042 standard hours per HF day against 22 originally.

Better see what Marc says about all of this... Gruffty ^{Hivers: If you tolerate us, then your children will be next...} 13:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)