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My TodoList: [[User:Tjoneslo/todo]]
 
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== Version differences ==
  
== "Show/Hide" Functionality (2020) ==
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What is the policy for handling clear and distinct rules differences between editions? The affected content is on https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Imperial_Currency the section labeled Imperial Banking, and the content differs sharply from what is given on page 91 of the MG2 Core Rules.
Since the interface update on the wiki, the "'''show/hide'''" functionality on some page entries has apparently been disabled.
 
For Example, see: [[Margaret Yetrina Tukera]].  Under "'''History & Background (Dossier)'''" there are the show/hide text headings "'''Rebellion Era (Click Show to reveal)'''" and "'''Virus/Collapse (Click Show to reveal)'''", but the toggle to actually show/reveal the underlying hidden text is missing.  --[[User:WHULorigan|WHULorigan]] ([[User talk:WHULorigan|talk]]) 12:56, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 
: That was a custom set of JavaScript code I had to delete because it was out of date and breaking other things. I need to find a replacement and put it back in. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 14:39, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:* Let me know the new syntax when you do; there are several pages I would like to fix. --[[User:WHULorigan|WHULorigan]] ([[User talk:WHULorigan|talk]]) 15:21, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
:: I have restored the previous functionality and it should just now work as before. You may need to do a page reload to pick up the restored JavaScript. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 12:44, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
::* Thanks.  Seems to be working fine. --[[User:WHULorigan|WHULorigan]] ([[User talk:WHULorigan|talk]]) 14:05, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Corridor Main ==
 
 
 
The [[Corridor Main]] (a main in the [[Corridor Sector]]) is being redirected to [[Corridor Run (SR)]], a trace in the [[Solomani Rim Sector]].
 
Can this/Should this be undone?
 
 
 
Related to that - The corridor main appears to have various subsections: A Trace from Mowanda to Wal-ta-ka including Atsah; a cluster with Drayne and Kaasu; the Depot Cluster; and a longer trace along the border. Any suggestions on whether these should be dealt with as a single item or as a series of smaller groups? [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 08:29, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
 
n.b. The Corridor Sector Data page has no reference to a Corridor Main. [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 08:52, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
: The problem is there isn't a Main (a collection of 50+ stars connected by a jump-1) in Corridor.  Sashrakusha subsector holds part of the Vilani Main. but the rest are small traces and clusters. There was a project to name each of these across the whole of the Imperium. I would have to look through my references to see if Corridor sector was ever completed. So from that point of view, the current setup is correct. If you'd like to name and catalog the different clusters in Corridor, please feel free. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 20:55, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
:: The Corridor Main (or Corridor Run) is not an astrographic feature with [[Corridor Sector]]. There are some circumstances in clusters/mains that take a very reasonable name that could a might be misleading in their locations within Charted Space.  [[User:Ssteve|Ssteve]] ([[User talk:Ssteve|talk]]) 15:22, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
 
:: I think I've got rid of all the 'Corridor Main' references in the top 8 subsectors and replaced them with references to associated clusters, traces, etc. [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 14:30, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Use of 'Coreward'==
 
Another that springs to mind is the use of "coreward"; is that the direction toward the center of the Galaxy or the direction towards Core Sector? Its all in the context and in the mind of the reader. [[User:Ssteve|Ssteve]] ([[User talk:Ssteve|talk]]) 15:22, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
 
: For 'Astrographic' sections, 'Coreward' I've used refers to the Galaxy. For polities, cultures, etc it can point to the centre of the Imperium, the centre of the Vargr Extents etc depending on the context as you suggest. From [[Million Subsector]], Coreward can be towards the Galactic Centre, the Imperial Core (Trailing) or the Regency Core (Spinward). Hopefully we have thoughtful readers? [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 14:30, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Other Corridor Issues ==
 
The main Corridor page appears to have lumped the entire Imperial presence in the sector into the Lancian Cultural Region. This then seems to filter down into the subsector descriptions too. The Lancian Cultural Region should only include some of those worlds on the Coreward side of the great rift. The actual corridor is just Imperial. [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 08:52, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
: If you want to take on the job of fixing that it would be appreciated. I agree with your assessment. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 20:57, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
 
:: No, wait. The problem of identifying the Third Imperium in the corridor sector as Lancian is a bug in the code that generates those summaries. I may have fixed it since then, but I'll take another look through the code. The text of the summary lives in a "<page>/summary" article so a bot can automatically update it. I'm currently waiting for one last set of updates to the Two Thousand worlds to run the update process again. I used to ask people not to update the the summary pages because the upload bot would overwrite the changes, But the process is run so infrequently these days, a manual update to correct issues isn't a bad idea. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 21:04, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
 
::: If this is going to go when you run the automated script then this doesn't seem a great option given the number of worlds affected. [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 17:47, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Gazelle-Class Close Escorts ==
 
 
 
The Gazelle class has, yet again, had a duplicate page created (this time for the T5 version)...is this deliberate? [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 10:02, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
: There are two pages: [[Gazelle-Class Close Escorts]] is an article about a publication about the Gazelle, and [[Gazelle class Close Escort]] is an article about the Gazelle ship in the library. Yes, they are close in name, but cover very different things. Is there another article? [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 18:52, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
 
::That is true. Issue is a red-herring [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 01:06, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Gabrael ==
 
 
 
I've updated Gabrael details and the script on line 1 no longer returns any results...I didn't touch that. Any ideas?
 
I admit I changed two /data characters, but that did not have an immediate disastrous effect, nor has it had an immediate restorative effect when undone.
 
[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 12:03, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
: You have uncovered a long-time bug in the [[Template:StellarData]], which stores the data into the underlying cargo table. This has been broken since 2016. I've fixed the problem and regenerating the data. This should take about an hour or so. I'll check again later tonight to verify this has been fixed. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 19:29, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Bug in CenturyBox ==
 
 
 
This is assigning "nd" to "12" instead of "th". I suspect the same for 11 and 13. i.e. CenturyBox|11 --> 12nd. [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 03:43, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
 
: Thanks for pointing this out. This has been fixed. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 09:09, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Copyright Question ==
 
 
 
Is there any copyright agreement in place to use the animals picture from the Mongoose book (p104)? [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 13:00, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
: Yes and no. Maksim had a discussion with Matt (at Mongoose) about using the Mongoose material in the wiki. The details in are on [[Copyright#Special_Agreement_with_Traveller_RPG_Wiki|Copyright page]]. The concern from myself and other wiki stewards was we don't have a way of enforcing the limitations. So please use discretion. If you upload pictures, please make sure to include the <nowiki>{{Ludography cite...}}</nowiki> in the description so we can find the pictures from the books. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 15:17, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Citing "High Guard" from Mongoose ==
 
 
 
What is the correct form of such a citation I used (which didn't work) <nowiki>{{Page cite|High Guard|Version=Mongoose Traveller|Page=216-224}}</nowiki> [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 12:15, 11 May 2020 (EDT)
 
: All of the Mongoose 2nd edition books should be cited as "version=New Traveller". All of the Mongoose 1st edition books are "version=Mongoose Traveller". This also applies to the Ludography cite. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 16:33, 11 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Vargr States in Million Sector pre-420 ==
 
 
 
Looking at the dot-maps provided in Mongoose's Deneb Sector book, there were a series of Vargr states in Million sector between 100 and 420...none named.
 
I was looking to update the subsector history.
 
* 100: Unekh+Talon+Akkip+Fel+Ikhaba+Oluk Dzas+Aerfor
 
* 210: (a) Unekh+Talon+Fosfog and (b) Fel+Nurara+Hammand+Arelshanu+Oluk Dzas+Aerfor
 
* 330: Fosfog+495-524+Metare
 
* 420: Fosfog+495-524+Metare+Fel
 
There seem to be raids but no stable multi-world states in the civil war period.There is then a long hiatus until Augurgh forms his alliance sometime in the late 1090's at the earliest until its end in 1143.
 
 
 
How does the Wiki Editorial Team suggest that this be described? Pick a random Aekhu name for the 1st entity; split it into two - one getting a new name for the 2nd; with the Fosfog part struggling on (new name now Talon has gone?) for the 330-420 periods?
 
 
 
[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 13:52, 11 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
: Send a note to [[User:Rje]], the author of that book, and see if he has a suggestion. Otherwise your idea sounds fine. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 16:35, 11 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== I've done something wrong!!==
 
The [[Aasish Cluster]] and the [[Ian-Irasumshu Star Group]] don't seem to be displaying the worlds tagged with ''Category: XXX worlds'' entries, despite the category pages existing. Any ideas? [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 14:34, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
 
Ditto [[Naadi Cluster]] [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 14:36, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
 
: You have not done anything wrong. The system has several internal caches which don't always update as quickly as you might like. In the menu at the top of the page, under "more" there should be an option "Purge Cache". When you are on the page, select this option. It will clear the cached (empty) results and show you the list of worlds. If you can't find that option let me know and I'll walk you through the process of finishing the registration to enable it. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 16:14, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
 
:: Brilliant - Thanks [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 17:11, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Template:WorldHydro ==
 
 
 
The Template:WorldHydro doesn't take an Atmosphere parameter and thus doesn't differentiate between water oceans on atmospheres 1-A and fluid oceans on atmospheres B and C. Can this be amended? Default to water if no atmosphere is supplied? [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Template:WorldAtmo ==
 
 
 
The WorldAtmo template has no Temperature parameter and thus makes statements about the required level of protective equipment that may be untrue for worlds noted as colder or warmer than normal. Can this be amended? [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 03:40, 15 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
: The [[Template:WorldAtmo]] simply copies the text from the [[Atmosphere/summary]], specifically the Summary Synopsis Paragraph cell from the table. The same with the [[Template:WorldHydro]]. These were part of a project to create a single world description paragraph from the extended UWP for the world articles. The Trade codes summary are another part of this as well. But the project is still incomplete. The challenge with the temperature is most of the worlds don't have an orbital location noted in their UWP data, and are simply assumed to be in the Habitable Zone. So worlds not in the habitable zone and having temperature extremes limit habitability (despite other factors) are an exception and need to be noted by the article author, rather than a automated generator. But finishing off the whole paragraph from UWP is on my to-do list, along with many other projects. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 10:28, 15 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Template:WorldSize ==
 
 
 
For Size=8, could a comment noting that "Vessels with only 1G of thrust should check with local starport authorities before attempting to land using emergency power"?<br>
 
For size 9+, could a comment noting that "Vessels with only 1G of thrust should not make surface landings without ensuring that there is a local means of providing additional take-off thrust"? [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 04:22, 15 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
: These comments are all stored [[Planetary Size/summary]] page. Update the summary field to have these comments appear. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 14:09, 15 May 2020 (EDT)
 
:: Done [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 14:17, 15 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== COTI ==
 
 
 
Is COTI admitting members? It said (3 days ago) that I should wait for a mail, and I'm still waiting. [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 06:46, 15 May 2020 (EDT)
 
: It should be. I just fixed this last weekend. If you haven't gotten an email it means you either tried to use one of the forbidden ones, or the email got eaten by a spam filter. If you log back into the site, go to the control panel, and try and reset your email address it will send you another confirmation email. If that doesn't work, email me [[Special:EmailUser/Tjoneslo]] and I'll see if I can figure it out from there. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 14:07, 15 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Kishkii's route ==
 
 
 
To arrive at Trin in 1139, and to have started in the Ziru Sirka, Kishkii must have passed through Corridor.
 
 
 
Has any consensus been reached whether it came alone (in which case it would be able to proceed at J4) or accompanied (when it will get slowed to J3 or J2...J1 vessels can't cross the gaps between clusters on-route)? At J2, pre abandonment it can't have crossed from Atsah-->Spinward without crossing at least one system with a naval base, but the abandonment makes a hole. The implication would be that if it were a fleet it would have been seen (but not necessarily understood) at Imlaar, Giikusu or Lan-chou by the RQS in mid 1138. After that it is inside the "Safe" and can wilderness refuel the whole way to Trin without touching a base until Inkekush or Saguenay. If it were jump-4, it could leapfrog the frontier zone entirely from Dunmag to Piram and would never have been seen. It does mean that it would/could have passed through Antra later though. Any suggestions? [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 09:09, 15 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
: It was probably a combination of things. There was undoubtedly several vampire fleets making their way through the gap between the Windhorn Rift and the Great Rift in the 1135-1140 time frame. While the TNE books are thin on information, the Vargr must have been mounting some effort to fight back. First because they thought the ships were Imperial ones attempting to take back the territory they lost, then later simply to stop the invasion / death toll. I think we can assume the Vampire in fleets and individuals were all the way to the Regency border, but usually damaged by the time they got there.
 
: My thought would be start closer to the Great Rift outside the Regency border, like  Khishuda => Erita => Torm => Rolvaag => Verd => Bishop => Sipedon => Briaxis => Furens => Trin (34 parsecs — 9 jumps). No high population worlds, only one scout base. All gas giant refueling, and really difficult to catch moving at that pace. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 16:54, 15 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
:: Another thought ocurrs to me as well. The Kishkii may not have had to cross the whole distance. It may have been one of the ships in the Corridor Depot or one of the other naval bases. The Vargr or Human crew were attempting to refurbish / rearm the ship when the virus came a took it over. Then it heads to Trin from there. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 17:57, 15 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
::It is stated that Kishkii's route crossed 4 sectors...Vland, Corridor, Deneb, Spinward Marches are implied. There is quite detailed info about initial Virus spread in Khouth subsector (1137-1140+) and Million (1143ish), Antra (1138 for one Suicider accident, then later) and Atsah (starting 1139 except Kishkii). After that it goes very vague...unsurprisingly. I've two parties that are operating in 1138 in Antra and million respectively...and I'm trying to pull the details out of ???. Also the Red Pelts are noted as crossing the post virus wilds yet they actually arrive ''before'' Virus really strikes (which is interesting). Notes imply that by the mid-late-1140s were generating about 5-6 incursions on the frontier per week (3/week for 61st Fleet is stated) or about 250-300 per year. This can be sustained for a long time even without building a thing because of the huge amounts of merchant traffic in circulation before the war. What is astonishing/saddening is the pathetic and half-hearted response of the Regency in the first 5 years or so. The Mikesh/Khouth pair of losses alone makes Trin look trivial.  [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 18:20, 15 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Mistake in Page Title ==
 
 
 
I have accidentally added a hyphen in the page ""Vice-Admiral" which should be titled "Vice Admiral". Can the is be corrected please? [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 15:11, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
: Fixing the page title requires moving the page. Under the "More" option at the top of the page select "Move". This will give you the option of entering the new page title. This is the preferred method of fixing page titles as it keeps the page history, the list of changes, to the page, with the page for everyone to view. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 17:24, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
:: OK - Got the process sorted! [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 02:15, 22 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Violante (world) ==
 
 
 
<nowiki>{{StellarDataQuery|name= {{</nowiki>World|Violante|Spinward Marches|Aramis|2708}} }} yields 'no results' - and presumably has done so for some time. Best way of debugging? [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 06:56, 21 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
: You remember the problem above with the StellarData template. This is an effect of that. A quick use of the "Purge Cache" resolved the problem. If you encounter another one, try that, and if it doesn't work, try editing / saving the data page ("World Name (world)/data") and trying the purge again. If neither of those works, let me know. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 19:17, 21 May 2020 (EDT)
 
:: Thanks [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 02:15, 22 May 2020 (EDT)
 
== Prison Camp and Prison World ==
 
 
 
Should these pages be merged? [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 08:00, 21 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
: Yes, they should be. Since [[Prison Camp]] is the empty one, redirect that to the [[Prison World]]. Though neither is quite correct. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 19:18, 21 May 2020 (EDT)
 
:: Done the redirect. Not sure on the "Correct" definition [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 02:15, 22 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Ministry of Justice ==
 
 
 
The MoJ is listed in the [[Imperial Bureaucracy]] page as
 
 
 
A2. Ministry of Justice (MOJ): Exercises authority over violations of Imperial law.
 
* Imperial Inquisitorial Branch
 
* Imperial Penal System
 
* Justice Special Branch (JSB)
 
* Sector Court Branches
 
* Supreme Court of the Third Imperium
 
 
 
However, looking through the details of the system in Nobles and Agent books, I can see no reference to many of these.
 
===Imperial Inquisitorial Branch===
 
This is presumably the network of agents appointed by the MoJ sector courts. This has been detailed as "Inquisitorial agents" in the [[Ministry of Justice]] entry. A logical deduction from the information available.
 
 
 
===Imperial Penal System===
 
This is described as the network of Imperial Exile Worlds, Prison Worlds and Prisons that the Imperium controls. Again a logical extension of data given elsewhere
 
 
 
===Justice Special Branch===
 
As this is red-linked, whoever set this up intended to detail whatever this is. How does this differ from the Imperial Inquisitorial Branch? I'm not sure what the "High Passage 1" article wrote up. Does anyone have a copy that could be summarised?
 
 
 
===Sector Court Branches===
 
These are explained in Nobles and are fairly clear.
 
 
 
===Supreme Court of the Third Imperium===
 
It is explicitly stated that there is no court of appeal. This, therefore, cannot exist as an appellate court. And the Imperial High Court is part of the Criminal Justice System. Isn't this superfluous?
 
 
 
[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 06:18, 26 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
: These are questions that need to be poised to the wider community (CotI, TML, Facebook), as I don't have quick or easy answers. In reading through the page history it seems Maksim was simply adding things that "made sense" based upon the different models of governments, without having finished the plan of how they actually relate to either the canon or each other. For the Supreme Court, the Emperor serves as the final authority for all matters of the Imperium. There is at least one case of a Noble being accuse of a high crime having the emperor hear the case. The noble got life in prison and promptly escaped. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 06:51, 26 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
::Having the venue of the trial changed isn't appeals. And Peers are entitled to different justice standards anyway. [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 02:02, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
::: I'm agreeing there isn't a "Supreme Court of the Imperium". Each world will have their own justice system with no appeal beyond that. If you are a peer, or have one in your debt, you can appeal there, outside of the normal course of justice, which, in theory, goes all the way to the Emperor. But any of the peers can simply render judgement. Rule of Men, not Laws. Precedence is important but not the final word. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 06:59, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Disclaimer template required? ==
 
 
 
I have added [[Black Death]] and [[Scarlet fever]] entries. Do we need a disclaimer on the pages to indicate that we are not a medical reference site? If so, can we set up an appropriate template?
 
[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 02:00, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
: I read through the two articles. The general policy has been if you are borrowing from real world articles (like these), include a wikipedia template under the references header: <nowiki>{{wikipedia|Yersinia pestis}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{wikipedia|Scarlet fever}}</nowiki> respectively. The other thing to keep in mind is this should be a game reference. So a lot of details isn't always needed. I've added the wikipedia templates. I also have a strong preference for paragraphs over lists, but that's purely a personal preference. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 19:10, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Core Rules cite ==
 
 
 
The cite of "Core Rules" with version "Mongoose Traveller" seems to reference the German translation. Is this deliberate? [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 12:18, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
: They were both wrong. The Mongoose Traveller book should be "Core Rulebook", and the article has been updated. The New Traveller book is "Core Rule Book", and probably should be "Core Rulebook". The Germain translation has been updated to "Grundregelwerk". [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 19:13, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Removal of rank chart from Rank descriptions ==
 
 
 
Will you be moving this table in all the entries? [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 11:03, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
: Having a template for the chart of ranks is pretty much what the Wiki templates were designed for. So every article will have the same chart and all the links are updated correctly. So Yes, I really want to add that chart to each of the articles, including the Imperial Navy one.
 
: Do you have suggestions for improvement? Should I put it back where it was before? I was going to replace the Sunburst with the Imperial Navy insignia, and make the title yellow, to match the other Infoboxes, is that a good idea? Suggestions are welcomed and encouraged. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 14:17, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Comparative Ranks ==
 
 
 
The ranks O1..Ox for each service are (per Megatraveller) seriously out of kilter above O8.
 
 
 
The Subsector leader of the IN is [[Fleet Admiral]] (O8 - Baronet) with the sector equivalent being (O9 - Baron) and the imperium wide leader being (O10 - Duke)
 
 
 
The equivalent for the IM is (reasonably) Subsector Marshal (O8 - Knight) and imperium wide at Marshal of the Corps at (O9-Viscount)
 
 
 
The equivalent for the Army is Subsector Marshal (O11 - Baron); Sector Grand Marshal (O12 - Baron) and Marshal of the Unified Armies (O12+ - Count)
 
 
 
I suspect that this is why Rear Admiral and Vice Admiral were introduced...but I have no idea of the actuality.
 
 
 
Senior Flag Officer (Branch) - O8
 
Flag Officer (Sector) (Branch) - O9
 
 
 
How do you want these to get shown in the hierarchy? (if at all)
 
 
 
[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 11:50, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
: See [[Talk:Imperial Navy]], last entry. There are some canon references to the Rear and Vice Admirals which are never expanded on in the rules. Quoting from the post by [[User:WHULorigan]]:
 
::  The Imperial Navy is large enough (and Imperium-wide) to justify the upper level Flag Ranks. The Fleet Ranks ("Rear-", "Vice-", and "Fleet-") for actual fighting-fleet commands and Admiralty-Staff appointments, and the "Sector-" and "Grand-" Ranks for the political-level appointments. It also puts the Navy on a par with the Army which has the O11 "Field Marshal" Rank.
 
: The [[Grand Fleet]] book three things to this list, two of which you expand on above.
 
:# It adds Staff Admiral, also know as the Senior Flag Officer(Branch) who is equal in rank to a Sector admiral - O9 in the MT ranking system. These are the Admirals in charge of the other branches of the sector level fleet.
 
:# It adds Subsector Admiral without giving it a rank
 
:# It notes, like you do, there are two kinds of Admirals (Fleet, Subsector) are fighting admirals, and Sector and Grand Admirals are political appointments.
 
: My thought on this would be: Let's keep the table as the MT rules have it (O8 - Fleet, O9 - Sector, O10 - Grand). Update the text of the articles to note the O8 Fleet admirals are the Fighting admirals and there is a recognized hierarchy within the sector fleets, and the Fleet admirals are sometimes given different titles to distinguish them: In order they are: Fleet Admiral, Rear Admiral, and Vice admiral.
 
: The Sector Admiralty (O9) has a similar split of the Staff Admirals (Senior Flag Officer) and Sector Admiral.
 
: The question then becomes, which comes first: The Naval Promotion or the investiture with noble rank? Thoughts?
 
::- [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 14:11, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
 
::: The Nobles book is clear. Any Noble candidate is likely to get the role. If a non-noble is considered in any case, then that non-noble get the Honour and Rank. I'll note that in the descriptions.
 
 
 
:: The other option would be to note (possibly in the rank-table) that (in ascending order): Rear Admiral, Vice Admiral, and "Admiral" are all "sub-ranks" of the rank "Fleet Admiral":
 
 
 
:: {|class="wikitable" style="text-align: left; font-size: 95%"
 
|-
 
! colspan="2" style="font-size: larger; background: #ddd;" |Imperial Navy Flag Ranks
 
|-
 
|O10 » Grand Admiral
 
|-
 
|O9 » Sector Admiral
 
|-
 
|O8c » Fleet Admiral <small>(Admiral)</small>
 
|-
 
|O8b » Fleet Admiral <small>(Vice Admiral)</small>
 
|-
 
|O8a » Fleet Admiral <small>(Rear Admiral)</small>
 
|-
 
|O7 » Commodore
 
|-
 
|}
 
:: I had actually considered this option when I first modified the rank table.  One consideration is that with an organization the size of the Imperial Navy, would O10 be sufficiently high for the highest level rank? (recall, that the Imperial Navy has about 320 numbered fleets (one per subesctor) (IIRC). The United States Navy currently has a total of 7 Numbered Fleets (3-star rank), which are assigned to regional/geographic fleet commands as necessary (3 or 4-star rank)).
 
 
 
:: It would be a shame to lose those obscure but canonical rank distinctions in the massive volume of Traveller lore, since they are only noted in a few TNS briefs. ''Agent of the Imperium'' (usiing T5-scale) simply notes that O7-Admiral (directly above O6-Captain and O6.5-Commodore) has "additional" higher rank grades (plural). It could be that "Rear-", "Vice-", and "(unmodified)-Admiral" are the actual rank-names, but the descriptor "Fleet-" or "Subsector-" or "Staff-" is added to the term "Admiral" as a general job descriptor (i.e. all Rear-, Vice-, etc. Admirals are either Fleet (or Subsector) Admirals or Staff Admirals based on their job-appointment).
 
::: --[[User:WHULorigan|WHULorigan]] ([[User talk:WHULorigan|talk]]) 16:15, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
::: This makes a good kind of sense. I updated the table with the suggestion. The articles ([[Imperial Navy]], and the rank article) need to be updated. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 08:52, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
:: Can we do the same thing for Marine Rank, Army (Senior) Rank, Army (GFC) Rank, Army (COACC) Rank, Army (Wet Navy) Rank and IISS Rank? [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 13:29, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
:::: These have all been completed, and I renamed the Naval ranks template. Though I don't think the image for the Marines, or Army branches are correct. But those are easy to update when we have the correct ones. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 15:58, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
::::: Remind me, again, why we do this? [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 18:41, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
::::::  Using templates? Any time I see a chunk of text that been copied into a number of articles I like to replace it with template, especially if I, or others, are updating the text across all the articles more than once. It's the reason templates exist. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 05:53, 1 June 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== IA rank templates not displaying ==
 
The GFC ranks have no text visible!![[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 16:27, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
:I saw this note before and looked through all the uses of the template. I'm not understanding about what is missing or from where. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 20:40, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
 
{{Imperial Army COACC ranks}}
 
:: Note the black headers with black text. Same for GFC and NFC. [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 07:56, 3 June 2020 (EDT)
 
::: I see a black bar with white text. So which OS/browser, and Wiki skin are you using? [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 09:28, 3 June 2020 (EDT)
 
:::I'm using Microsoft Edge as my browser: Default skin for that at a guess[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 05:55, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
:::: Edge is not my usual browser, but I just installed the latest version. I tweaked the template color,  Does this look any better? [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 07:02, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
::::: Resolved, Thanks [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 07:15, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== cite of secret of the ancients ==
 
<nowiki>{{Page cite|name=Secret of the Ancients|version=Mongoose Traveller|page=183}}</nowiki><br>
 
You get:
 
:↑ Gareth Hanrahan. Secret of the Ancients (Mongoose Publishing, 2010), 183.Gareth Hanrahan. Secret of the Ancients (Mongoose Publishing, 2012), 183.
 
Not what I expected!
 
[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 13:56, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
:: There are two editions of the book, [[Mongoose Traveller: Secret of the Ancients|1st]] and [[Mongoose Traveller: Secret of the Ancients 2nd|2nd]]. Use the parameter "edition=1st" or "edition=2nd" to select between them. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 15:58, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
:::Not sure I'm doing it right as adding |1st doesn't fix the issue...article is [[40th Squadron]]. [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 17:47, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
:::: Use the full text of "edition=2nd". I fixed the article for an example. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 20:34, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Cyberware ==
 
 
 
Are there any traveller technologies for cyberware (glands, etc) that manufactures specific drugs (e.g. Combat Drug, stims, metabolic accelerator) for use by the person? I'd guess they would be possible but it is a matter of cost and tech level.
 
 
 
Ditto for Electromagnetic probe or NAS or inertial compass
 
 
 
: I'm slowly going through the Cybernetics section of [[Fire, Fusion, & Steel]]. This does have an implantable NAS, inertial compass, and a radio that could be used as a sensor. The water in a (human) body tends to interfere with some EM scanners, and isn't big enough to be an antenna for some longer wavelength radio wave detection. It doesn't have a specific drug factory however. The other source of cybernetics, [[Mongoose Traveller: Cybernetics]], may but I don't have the book to confirm. As a larger project I'm going through all of the equipment articles and reworking them. The final goal is to be able to collect them into a book. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 08:43, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Watercooler ==
 
Followed your recommendation but I am not sure how often the water cooler gets visited. [[User:Philoserf|—¿philoserf?]] ([[User talk:Philoserf|talk]]) 11:45, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
: I know I read through the wiki changes throughout the day, but only have time to make responses to queries during either the morning before work or in the evening after work assuming nothing else is going on. The advice I give to people posting to the forums is to wait 24-48 hours for a response. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 18:41, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Page delete ==
 
 
 
I will be more economical next time I do some learning. If I’m good at it this will be my first and last page delete request.
 
  
Please remove all files on this result: https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Philoserf%2Fsandbox%2Ff&namespace=2
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Thank you,
  
[[User:Philoserf|—¿philoserf?]] ([[User talk:Philoserf|talk]]) 09:44, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
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[[User:DonaldMcLean|DonaldMcLean]] ([[User talk:DonaldMcLean|talk]]) 23:58, 11 February 2021 (EST)
  
: Done. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 17:20, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
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== Edit Watchlist ==
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The "'''Edit Your List of Watched pages'''" button on my Watchlist Page simply takes me to a blank web page (https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Special:EditWatchlist). Is there any way to restore this functionality?  --[[User:WHULorigan|WHULorigan]] ([[User talk:WHULorigan|talk]]) 11:55, 24 February 2021 (EST)
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: It does for me too. I'll take a look --[[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 15:30, 24 February 2021 (EST)
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:: I guess there is no work-around for this?  --[[User:WHULorigan|WHULorigan]] ([[User talk:WHULorigan|talk]]) 13:18, 26 April 2021 (EDT)
  
== Psionic Strength ==
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::: If you go to [[Special:Watchlist]], it displays your current watchlist. How many pages are currently there? Mine shows "11,781 pages are on your Watchlist (plus talk pages)". When I went to [[Special:EditWatchlist]] I saw the blank page. I checked the server logs and saw the page generating an out of memory error. Apparently the EditWatchlist is trying to generate the whole list of 11,781 pages to remove them from the watchlist. I can increase the memory limit of the server, but don't want to leave it at an increased value to avoid causing other problems on the server. Trying to generate a full list of 11,781 pages is insane and stupid, and we should file reports to fix this problem. In any case, I know what the problem is, and if you want to edit your full watchlist, let me know and I'll up the memory on the server for a few days. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 23:13, 26 April 2021 (EDT)
  
It seems that the page for this characteristic is not editable or creatable. I can't see that it has been deleted. Any suggestions? [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 09:56, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
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:::: Mine says: "6,196 pages are on your Watchlist (plus talk pages). "  Is there an upper limit of pages (e.g. 5000 ?) that it needs to be under? Many of the pages on my list were auto-added because of minor edits I have made that I probably do not want to track anyway. If you up the memeroy of the server, let me know and I will edit my watchlist; I just need to know what number of entries is the maximum. --[[User:WHULorigan|WHULorigan]] ([[User talk:WHULorigan|talk]]) 06:00, 27 April 2021 (EDT)
: This is a known problem. There are a few others. I need to fix these by updating the database. If you find any more, post them here. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 10:54, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
 
::See Uneditable Pages List below
 
  
== Trepida/Astrin Class of Grav Vehicles ==
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::::: To be clear, the memory requirement is for the "EditWatchlist" page only. Pages on the watchlist is simply pointer records in the database and has little or no other effect on the wiki. I really don't have an idea of how many articles are the upper limit on using the EditWatchlist before the memory for that one page runs out. I have found if you go to [[Special:Preferences]], then under watchlist tab, select the "Edit raw watchlist" (or go to [[Special:EditWatchlist/raw]]), this presents the entire list as a edit box. You can remove (or add) article titles to the list and press save. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 06:47, 27 April 2021 (EDT)
  
I was looking at the details in the Regency Combat Vehicles Guide and comparing to the version of these vehicles in this Wiki. There seem to be significant discrepancies between statistics and the Wiki only has details for the Trepida (a.k.a. Trepida I).
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:::::: That worked - I got it down to 2885 pages. Thanks. --[[User:WHULorigan|WHULorigan]] ([[User talk:WHULorigan|talk]]) 08:50, 27 April 2021 (EDT)
  
Should I update the statistics using the RCVG booklet and add the remaining vehicles in the family?
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==Page to delete==
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Campaign:NHNE/PageList
  
[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 15:40, 14 June 2020 (EDT)
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There are too many pages now for the Special:PrefixIndex to list them all, and when used it doesn't page through the results.
  
: I know there are additional versions of these vehicles in [[GURPS Traveller: Ground Forces]], [[Rebellion Sourcebook]] (p. 86/87), The T20 [[Against Gravity]] p.34/32. Plus the versions in the Sources template. So good luck reconciling the different versions. But, yes please add all the vehicles in the RCVG book. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 16:16, 14 June 2020 (EDT)
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[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 11:56, 18 March 2021 (EDT)
  
== Synthetic Vs Android Vs Robot==
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==Oops==
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File:Starships Book II0I0 Cargo Barque.pdf has been uploaded instead of the fronticepiece...Please delete this file ASAP!
  
The Andriod page appears to be historical.
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== T5 Artwork / Copyright ==
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Thomas, what is the policy on uploading pictures/art found in the T5.10 core rules? Is that acceptable on the wiki, or would it be a copyright violation?  I was thinking about adding some of the pictures of medals and badges to their respective articles.
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: --[[User:WHULorigan|WHULorigan]] ([[User talk:WHULorigan|talk]]) 15:22, 26 July 2021 (EDT)
  
The Synthetic page then describes much the same thing using the terminology from the Life Form Chart that is variously distributed.
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== Thanks for the welcome! ==
  
Should these be merged, and if so, which title should be primary?
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Looking forward to exploring the Forum threads, and helping out with some of the projects as well as articles requiring work. Cheers!
  
[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 04:46, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
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[[User:9uantum5carab|9uantum5carab]] ([[User talk:9uantum5carab|talk]]) 16:59, 20 January 2022 (EST)
  
: According to the descriptions in the T5 Core book, both android and synthetic should be pointing at the [[Robot]] page. They are both artificial life forms which may or may not be sentient. There are a whole number of additional terms on that page all of which should point there. The scary thing is we may be re-inventing the Wikipedia notability requirements. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 06:54, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
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== /data, /sector etc ==
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Yeah, I was hoping against hope that that would cause [[Dhughre (world)]] to display properly - it appears it isn't in the Cargo table.
  
: OK - But
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[[User:Patrick Morris Miller|Patrick Morris Miller]] ([[User talk:Patrick Morris Miller|talk]]) 13:10, 25 February 2022 (EST)
:# the image is a Marc Miller original from T5 Starships - so it is Canon?
 
:# the diagram shows some overlap between ''Robots'' and ''Synthetics'' but neither is a subset of the other.
 
:# the ''Robot'' page is, itself a mess and makes reference to both Synthetics and Androids as being (sometimes) biological machines indistinguishable from people. It uses the term Android only in the sense of a male-pattern humanoid manufactured robot and states it isn't biological - which contradicts the Android entry itself.
 
:# the referral tree is not consistent either!
 
: The definition of Android ("a synthetic man, created from biological materials.") could technically include Geneered and Cloned Beings. And the Robot definition states that a Robot is a "Machine" which is etymologically "Mechanical" but possibly used to mean biological systems. All very blurred.
 
:The Robot page mixes:
 
:#The (muddy) class definition of Robot
 
:#The classification of intelligence levels assigned to Robot
 
:#Roles assumed by Robots
 
:#Types of manufactured thing called Robot partly classified by role
 
:#Manufacturers of types of Robot
 
:#Goods called Robot
 
[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 12:04, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
 
P.S. This is a distraction from what I was actually intending to look at which is a distraction from the thing before that. This wiki has a finite but unbounded list of rabbit holes!
 
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:: Well, yes. Exactly. I'm working my way through the [[Goods]] articles. Which include fixing all the different kinds of articles like these. [[Computer]], [[Cybertechnology]], [[Genetic Engineering]] were the recent ones I worked on, including cleaning up the referral trees. One of the problems is T5 has some specific definitions vs the more generic definitions in the wider SF universe. So straighten this out to be consistent is going to be a chunk of work.
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== Pages Moves ==
:: Short answer is I don't have a quick answer for you, just a list of 100+ articles which need this same kind of attention. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 13:16, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
 
  
== Uneditable Pages List ==
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Thanks, still fairly new to this, and will ensure next time move in done.
  
* [[Ship mission]]
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I do have a couple of page delete requests from previous inexperience at page naming.
* [[Sector file format]]
 
* All of the Sector/climate pages
 
* [[Psionic Strength]]
 
* [[:Category: Ludography]]
 
* [[Ship mission]]
 
* [[-120]]
 
* [[Oytritsyu'a]]
 
* [[Marquis of Gemid]]
 
  
== Template:InfoboxSubsector ==
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Sturray(Pesek 0314)(world)
Could this be given a parameter to select the date for which the map is displayed. The Traveller map allows various values (0,990,1105[default],1120,1201,1248,etc) which can be used to show the changes over time. e.g. &milieu=M1201
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Sturray(Pr 0314)(world)
  
[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 10:15, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
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are both errors on my part, and I've done all that is required to redirect the pages, I just find it's annoying when I search :-)
  
: Yes, it could. I've added that to the list of updates to the template. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 20:30, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
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And you are on the Traveller RPG discord, yes?
  
== [[Blue Darrian]] ==
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: Add a <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki> template to the articles that need to be deleted. It will allow others to find them and remove them. I am on Discord, come ping me some time. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 22:34, 9 March 2022 (EST)
  
Shouldn’t the page be deleted rather than just the content?
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== Looking for admin with sysop privileges ==
  
: Per the talk page discussion, I left the page but deleted to content to keep the links to the original discussion on CotI. And I doubt anyone has looked at it since then. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]])
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Hello, i wasn't sure whom to ask, but i'm looking for any admin with sysop privileges who would be able to perform a Page Deletion. The article in question is [[Nishant Taliyan]] which was probably created in some kind of spamming activity. I wasn't sure who would be able to Delete Pages, so i thought i'd ask you because you seem to perform so many useful tasks involving cleanup mechanisms behind the wiki. Thank you kindly for your time.
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[[User:KevinHutchins|KevinHutchins]] ([[User talk:KevinHutchins|talk]]) 11:58, 7 September 2022 (EDT)
  
== StellarDataQuery bug ==
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== Thank you for your kind welcome ==
  
{{StellarDataQuery|name= {{World|Zegzaen|Tuglikki|Aegaek|2540}} }}
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I have never really contributed to or edited wikis in the past, so I was very thoughtful with the change that I made, and was sure to document it.  I did search my collection of reference material for Traveller and did not find specific mentions of the vargr having any human politics :P
  
This doesn't give a space between the planet name and the statement that there are no imperial nobles
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== Has a template broken? ==
  
[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 08:52, 24 June 2020 (EDT)
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All of a sudden, every page I look at that uses the StellarDataQuery template and has a value in the Sophonts field of its /data page is expanding it 'five' times, twice in Spanish (example: [[Regina (world)]].  I can't for the life of me figure out why, and it doesn't look like anyone's edited a relevant template lately.  Any ideas what's up? [[User:Patrick Morris Miller|Patrick Morris Miller]] ([[User talk:Patrick Morris Miller|talk]]) 15:28, 16 December 2022 (EST)
  
==Referral-Tree-E-Education==
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: The problem is the underlying cargo tables have duplicated entries. I'll need to clean them up to fix the problem. Probably later today. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 00:28, 17 December 2022 (EST)
When this displays in my view of it, the first lines (E: Educational Technologies) are shown as 3 columns; ''Education in Charted Space'' has a different type of bullet and all subsequent lines are in one column only. The three column layout seem to not to carry past the reversion to layer 1 in the tree. [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 14:44, 27 June 2020 (EDT)
 
  
: Getting the Referral Tree using the multi-level trees to display in multiple columns requires adding a "div" tag. I've found, by experimentation, that a list with only few entries (6 or less) doesn't look good, so I tend to not add put the smaller lists into the three column format. Also if trying to add that to a list with more than one level, it displays in a way that isn't easy to follow. Why the bullet is different for the following list entry is a mystery of the browser rendering engine. This is all based upon experimentation and what looks good to me. I will continue to experiment and, as always, looking for advice on making things look better. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 15:09, 27 June 2020 (EDT)
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:: Gotcha and thanks. [[User:Patrick Morris Miller|Patrick Morris Miller]] ([[User talk:Patrick Morris Miller|talk]]) 10:02, 17 December 2022 (EST)
  
== Category: Weapon ==
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== Message ==
  
The subcategories in this page are a mess. [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 14:48, 27 June 2020 (EDT)
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Hi,
  
: Yes, Like the Vehicles, the categorizations for the Weapons is a complete mess and could really use some attention. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 15:10, 27 June 2020 (EDT)
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you had sent me a message. Did I something wrong? For now I'm just adding thing to add some more colour to traveller, I just prepare for some stories which should play in the Traveller Universe.
  
== Category: Marquis worlds ==
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== message ==
  
I was trying to get the Template:Imperial Nobility to add the category'' Marquis worlds'' to the worlds where a marquis was present so the list of worlds with a marquis could be shown using ClusterWorlds2 in the Marquis page. I've added a category entry on the /summary table for marquises.
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thank you very much. i was a little bit unsure about my idea to add content freely without talking to someone. as a german i'm a follow allways the the rule based guy. traveller i a game which i had played since first version of german translation from GDW book. If I could assist you, I would love to assist. I speak a little english (B-C Level), German native, and because we move next year to colombia, a little spanish. regards O.
  
When looking at [[Taproban (world)]] I can see the categorisation.
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== Worldbuilding in Alpha Crucis ==
  
When looking at Category:Marquis worlds, it is not listed.
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Hello Thomas, I'm back after an unintended hiatus. Now I'm wondering. I used to be, a long time ago, the HIWG coordinator/owner for Alpha Crucis Sector. What I'm wondering is, if I were to world build in the sector (or anywhere else for that matter) can I add things like world maps to the wiki? I'm not sure since that is a canon area whether that's allowed or not. I'm still interested in that area as it has low alien population (my personal bias) but intrigue with the Solomani Confederation along with some border 3I areas.
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Flyteach
  
Is this just a timing issue about the dpl? (I have purged every related cache I can find!)
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== Issue with World template (also can't add topics to help forum?) ==
  
[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 17:59, 27 June 2020 (EDT)
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Hi there! Sorry for piling directly into your talk page with a help request / bug report, but the instructions at [[Forum:Help_desk]] say to add the title of the help request into a box that doesn't exist...
  
: Adding the category to the table entries in [[Imperial Nobility/summary]] page is the correct answer. First suggestion would be to wrap the category in <tt><nowiki><includeonly></includeonly></nowiki></tt> tags. Second suggestion would be to consider naming the category ''Imperial Marquis worlds'', to allow distinguishing between Imperial and non-imperial nobility. Third would be the request: Can you do the rest of them? Thanks [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 19:10, 27 June 2020 (EDT)
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My real issue is that I'm seeing weirdness with the way the world summary template works. If you look at [[Alexin (world)]] and [[Islent (world)]] the format of the summary is not at all similar. Additionally, the summary for Alexin describes it as a 'a high-population world with a billion or more sophonts in population size.' despite its UWP indicating a population in the tens of thousands.
  
It seems it was just timing. And yes, given the approach works, I can do the rest - but on which basis?
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If these are things a simple contributor can fix, I'm happy to help if you can point me in the right direction. Cheers!
  
If I'm to set up Imperial Marquis worlds,
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[[User:BrainPunter|BrainPunter]] ([[User talk:BrainPunter|talk]]) 07:12, 25 January 2023 (EST)
* there should be equivalent template(s) for non-Imperial Nobility naming the state. Any idea how many would be required?
 
** TravellerMap.com doesn't include data on Zhodani nobility (for instance). Where does the data come from?
 
* if this is done, shouldn't the page [[Marquis]] be [[Imperial Marquis]], etc for other ranks?
 
** Moving down that route is a fairly fundamental restructure of the entire nobility taxonomy.
 
  
If this is to be done should we start working upwards from c, C or D?
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== "Next" link for "world listings" not working ==
* The lower the start, the more worlds fall into the category.
 
* Starting from B just gets the list of worlds that were imperial at some time during history.
 
  
Does this need discussion in a separate forum?
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Hi Thomas,
  
[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 05:22, 28 June 2020 (EDT)
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I noticed yesterday that on the Aslan page (but also on other pages too, it seems) the "next" link near the bottom of the page for "World listings" does not work when trying to step through the huge list of Aslan worlds.  I've checked in both Firefox and Chrome, and while the page seems to refresh when the link is clicked, nothing actually changes and the newly presented page starts at the beginning of the world list again. 
  
: Good point about the nobility of different empires. Let's leave it the way it is now. We can use the allegiance of the world to distinguish which nobility rank we're dealing with. At some point I'd like to add the appropriate categories for all the ranks B to F. In order to distinguish the Imperial Marquis in Era:Milieu 1116 from the Republic of Regina Marquis in Era: Milieu 1900 requires being aware and querying the categories correctly. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 11:32, 28 June 2020 (EDT)
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I have used the function successfully a while ago (months, I'd say) so whatever is preventing it from working must be a relatively new thing.
  
::Categories added into summary data[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 13:46, 28 June 2020 (EDT)
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[[User:AlexT|AlexT]] ([[User talk:AlexT|talk]]) 09:43, 27 May 2023 (EDT)
  
== Stellar Template Upgrade ==
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== Article appearance problem since recent board maintenance / upgrade ==
  
The templates for MonostellarSystem, BinarySystem, etc.
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Thomas,  
  
Could new columns be added...
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Since the recent board upgrade, my "Lord Rhovanion" page looks massively different (and messed-up, actually)  
*Habitable Zone Orbit Number
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- See: [[Richard Elruinn Ilendrick Rhovanion]].
*Jump Shadow Orbit Number (100D)
 
*The other limits in T5, (e.g. 1000D) could also be displayed
 
  
These could be loaded from a cargo table for each star type...only a few (hundred) rows!
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* (ADDENDUM: It seems to specifically be a problem with Microsoft Edge - It looks normal in Firefox. I also cannot see any of the editing buttons normally at the top of this window in MS Edge now, either).  
  
I'm happy to populate that from Scouts book/T5 data for the various star types if the columns and table could be created.
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* -- [[User:WHULorigan|WHULorigan]] ([[User talk:WHULorigan|talk]]) 11:05, 27 September 2023 (EDT)
  
[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 06:32, 28 June 2020 (EDT)
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: I had an issue like that (different browser, different OS, different page) that went away after I cleared the browser cache.  My bet is that will fix it.
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:* [[User:Patrick Morris Miller|Patrick Morris Miller]] ([[User talk:Patrick Morris Miller|talk]]) 11:51, 27 September 2023 (EDT)
  
: Good Idea. Let me put this together. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 11:33, 28 June 2020 (EDT)
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::  You are brilliant. That worked perfect.
:: See [[Template:StarData]] - let me know if there is any other data I should add to the table. The idea would be you can put each star type into the template, all of which go onto the  [[Star/data]] page, one per row, and the whole comes out as a table that allows the user to read through when completed. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 12:11, 28 June 2020 (EDT)
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::* --[[User:WHULorigan|WHULorigan]] ([[User talk:WHULorigan|talk]]) 15:01, 27 September 2023 (EDT)
  
:::T5 defines 3 limits: 10D=Gravitic Drive; 100D=Jump Shadow; 1000D=M-Drive Limit
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== Source of Star data ==
:::To fully populate these we will need to interpolate as only the x0,x5 and M9 entries are uniformly defined for some of the values you list
 
:::What do we want to populate as the default if we haven't yet populated the table?
 
:::The T5 stellar hierarchy notes that stars can be primary, secondary or tertiary, and each of these could have a close companion. Should a parameter/column be supplied to show the separation distance from the primary of Secondary and Tertiary stars?
 
:::There is at least one star of type NS (Neutron Star) which doesn't appear in the Star Colour table.
 
:::[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 13:00, 28 June 2020 (EDT)
 
:::: I’ll add the m-drive limit as orbit an AU. Both Book six and First In state use linear interpolation for the value not in the table. You may be able to look the values in Wikipedia. The separation of secondary stars depends on the system, and isn’t part of the Star. We may want to add a star diameter, so we know where the surface of the Star exists. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 13:29, 28 June 2020 (EDT)
 
::::: Completed, and added Neutron Star to the Star Colour table. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 14:17, 28 June 2020 (EDT)
 
::::::* If you want to add an actual background color for Neutron Stars for the table, it should be blue (comparable to OB stars). --[[User:WHULorigan|WHULorigan]] ([[User talk:WHULorigan|talk]]) 08:39, 30 June 2020 (EDT)
 
::::::* For Black Hole (BH ?), could we add the colour as a black background with white text in the resulting table? Alternatively, use a dark-grey background with standard black text. --[[User:WHULorigan|WHULorigan]] ([[User talk:WHULorigan|talk]]) 08:41, 30 June 2020 (EDT)
 
  
:::I have data for (or can interpolate) Mass(MSol), Luminosity(LSol), Radius(RSol), Temperature range which allow calculation of Radius (AU), Diameter(AU), 10D (AU), 100D (AU) and 1000D(AU) plus Inner-Edge of HZ (AU) and outer edge of HZ (AU).
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I would like to know what the source was for the stellar data contained in the sub-pages of https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Star/data, e.g. https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Star/data/Class_III; in particular the Diameter value.
::::The HZ is a range that has an inner and outer value in AU. How do you wish to show that? (Because the HZ is between 273K and 323K)
 
::::T5 names one orbit...but sometimes two will fit this criteria
 
:::D stars, I assume, still use the book 6 values DB...DM not real-life classifications
 
:::O stars look complex to quantify...their stats are all over the place based on examples in Wikipedia...need to look up more astrophysics. Do you know an astrophysicist?
 
:::I have assumed a mass of 5 M.Sol for the black hole (Smallest observed) and 1.33 M.Sol for the Neutron Star.
 
:::[[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 18:39, 28 June 2020 (EDT)
 
  
:::: I was recommending calculating the rough mid point of the Habitable zone because there are a number of factors beyond the stellar luminosity that affect the habitability of planets. I would go with the T5 definition which pick the closest orbit to the center of the Habitable zone. T5 redefines the "D" stars into White Dwarf and Brown Dwarf, with a preference for using Brown dwarfs. I know the T5 Second Survey, during the review of the sectors would alter the D stars to the corresponding Main Sequence stars. For this table I would ignore the "D" stars, you should have the Main Sequence, a collection of Brown Dwarf, and a White Dwarf. The values for Black Holes and Neutron star's looks right. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 19:19, 28 June 2020 (EDT)
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I noticed that it is not consistent with the Classic Traveller ''Book 6: Scouts'', so I am trying find what the source was.
  
:::OK - I'm filling in the details. n.b. The mass and luminosity vales in Book 6 may have been OK in the 1980s, but they look a bit dubious now. For Class V stars (only), L = M^3.5. (approx). That relationship isn't followed. Also there seem discrepancies between Book 6 mass and actual mass of stars of the anchor classes - not large but making big difference to L because of the power relationship. Do you want me to run with the 1983 values or look to revise in line with 2020s values? The impact would also affect HZ orbits and may contradict T5 so this is not a trivial decision. [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 09:36, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
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It appears from the [[history pages|https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/index.php?title=Star/data/Class_III&action=history]], that you created them ~16 August 2020. If I have misinterpreted that, my apologies - but would you happedn to know who did?
  
::::: Let's fill out the wiki table using the 2020 values. Since this is supposed to be real science, I'd like to use the real values if at all possible. If we find discrepancies for the T5 book we can send them to Marc as errata, and have a discussion from there. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 09:56, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
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Thank you,
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Ken Hooper
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sacrifice36@gmail.com
  
:::In that case, I'd really like the values checked by someone '''before''' we publish revised values. I'm really not an astrophysicist! [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 10:02, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
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: https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/User_talk:Tjoneslo/archive-2020#Stellar_Template_Upgrade - this is the discussion about generation of the star data. There was a spreadsheet with the original data used to generate the table in the wiki, generated from Wikipedia and other sources of real world data. You may need to ask either of the other users. 06:41, 17 October 2023 (EDT)
  
:::: If you have something I can send to someone, I know of a few people I can try. Or you might ask on the CotI boards or the TML. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 19:04, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
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== Cargo Commit ==
  
::: Brown Dwarfs have classes M, L, T and Y with very different temperatures. 1,900+, 1,700+, 900+, less...do I just pick a middling temperature and assume type M brown dwarfs are included in type M stars? [[User:BackworldTraveller|BackworldTraveller]] ([[User talk:BackworldTraveller|talk]]) 10:20, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
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When you're free please https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/index.php?title=Template:InfoboxIMTU&action=recreatedata
  
:::: Unless you can find something that says different, last I knew the M main sequence (say M9) was just the top end of the Brown Dwarf, which L, T, and Y were the main ones. But yes, lets pick a middle value for each of the L, T, and Y classes. If we need more detail it can be added later. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 19:07, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
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Thanks! [[User:Korok|Korok]] ([[User talk:Korok|talk]]) 04:11, 29 November 2023 (EST)
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: Done! [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 05:02, 29 November 2023 (EST)
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:: Quick question; it might be me not seeing the obvious [[Special:CargoTables]] is there an action I should be seeing somewhere on the page to switch to the new table? [[User:Korok|Korok]] ([[User talk:Korok|talk]]) 06:08, 30 November 2023 (EST)
  
::::: M6.5 thru L0 overlap both low-mass main-sequence stars and high mass Brown dwarfs, depending mostly upon stellar metallicity, IIRC. Habitability zones (as far as stellar surface temperature goes) would still be dependent upon that stellar temperature, so I do not know if there would be a practical difference (in Traveller terms) as to whether or not an M8 star (for example) were a Red Dwarf or a Brown Dwarf. It is the same situation as a Pre-Main-Sequence Star which has not yet contracted enough to initiate nuclear burning (like [[Epsilon Indi (star)|Epsilon Indi]] - K4.5 V) versus a comparable spectrum Main-Sequence Star which is undergoing fusion. --[[User:WHULorigan|WHULorigan]] ([[User talk:WHULorigan|talk]]) 08:22, 30 June 2020 (EDT)
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== Missing Images ==
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Thanks mate, I'll see if anything is missing and reinstate any that are. Its been a bit of a busy week (a couple of new books in the works from Moon Toad, so that's been my main focus) so we might well have gotten away fairly lightly. Very much appreciate your letting me know.
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:[[User:Alagoric|Alagoric]] ([[User talk:Alagoric|talk]]) 09:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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My TodoList: User:Tjoneslo/todo

Version differences[edit]

What is the policy for handling clear and distinct rules differences between editions? The affected content is on https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Imperial_Currency the section labeled Imperial Banking, and the content differs sharply from what is given on page 91 of the MG2 Core Rules.

Thank you,

DonaldMcLean (talk) 23:58, 11 February 2021 (EST)

Edit Watchlist[edit]

The "Edit Your List of Watched pages" button on my Watchlist Page simply takes me to a blank web page (https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Special:EditWatchlist). Is there any way to restore this functionality? --WHULorigan (talk) 11:55, 24 February 2021 (EST)

It does for me too. I'll take a look --Tjoneslo (talk) 15:30, 24 February 2021 (EST)
I guess there is no work-around for this? --WHULorigan (talk) 13:18, 26 April 2021 (EDT)
If you go to Special:Watchlist, it displays your current watchlist. How many pages are currently there? Mine shows "11,781 pages are on your Watchlist (plus talk pages)". When I went to Special:EditWatchlist I saw the blank page. I checked the server logs and saw the page generating an out of memory error. Apparently the EditWatchlist is trying to generate the whole list of 11,781 pages to remove them from the watchlist. I can increase the memory limit of the server, but don't want to leave it at an increased value to avoid causing other problems on the server. Trying to generate a full list of 11,781 pages is insane and stupid, and we should file reports to fix this problem. In any case, I know what the problem is, and if you want to edit your full watchlist, let me know and I'll up the memory on the server for a few days. Tjoneslo (talk) 23:13, 26 April 2021 (EDT)
Mine says: "6,196 pages are on your Watchlist (plus talk pages). " Is there an upper limit of pages (e.g. 5000 ?) that it needs to be under? Many of the pages on my list were auto-added because of minor edits I have made that I probably do not want to track anyway. If you up the memeroy of the server, let me know and I will edit my watchlist; I just need to know what number of entries is the maximum. --WHULorigan (talk) 06:00, 27 April 2021 (EDT)
To be clear, the memory requirement is for the "EditWatchlist" page only. Pages on the watchlist is simply pointer records in the database and has little or no other effect on the wiki. I really don't have an idea of how many articles are the upper limit on using the EditWatchlist before the memory for that one page runs out. I have found if you go to Special:Preferences, then under watchlist tab, select the "Edit raw watchlist" (or go to Special:EditWatchlist/raw), this presents the entire list as a edit box. You can remove (or add) article titles to the list and press save. Tjoneslo (talk) 06:47, 27 April 2021 (EDT)
That worked - I got it down to 2885 pages. Thanks. --WHULorigan (talk) 08:50, 27 April 2021 (EDT)

Page to delete[edit]

Campaign:NHNE/PageList

There are too many pages now for the Special:PrefixIndex to list them all, and when used it doesn't page through the results.

BackworldTraveller (talk) 11:56, 18 March 2021 (EDT)

Oops[edit]

File:Starships Book II0I0 Cargo Barque.pdf has been uploaded instead of the fronticepiece...Please delete this file ASAP!

T5 Artwork / Copyright[edit]

Thomas, what is the policy on uploading pictures/art found in the T5.10 core rules? Is that acceptable on the wiki, or would it be a copyright violation? I was thinking about adding some of the pictures of medals and badges to their respective articles.

--WHULorigan (talk) 15:22, 26 July 2021 (EDT)

Thanks for the welcome![edit]

Looking forward to exploring the Forum threads, and helping out with some of the projects as well as articles requiring work. Cheers!

9uantum5carab (talk) 16:59, 20 January 2022 (EST)

/data, /sector etc[edit]

Yeah, I was hoping against hope that that would cause Dhughre (world) to display properly - it appears it isn't in the Cargo table.

Patrick Morris Miller (talk) 13:10, 25 February 2022 (EST)

Pages Moves[edit]

Thanks, still fairly new to this, and will ensure next time move in done.

I do have a couple of page delete requests from previous inexperience at page naming.

Sturray(Pesek 0314)(world) Sturray(Pr 0314)(world)

are both errors on my part, and I've done all that is required to redirect the pages, I just find it's annoying when I search :-)

And you are on the Traveller RPG discord, yes?

Add a {{delete}} template to the articles that need to be deleted. It will allow others to find them and remove them. I am on Discord, come ping me some time. Tjoneslo (talk) 22:34, 9 March 2022 (EST)

Looking for admin with sysop privileges[edit]

Hello, i wasn't sure whom to ask, but i'm looking for any admin with sysop privileges who would be able to perform a Page Deletion. The article in question is Nishant Taliyan which was probably created in some kind of spamming activity. I wasn't sure who would be able to Delete Pages, so i thought i'd ask you because you seem to perform so many useful tasks involving cleanup mechanisms behind the wiki. Thank you kindly for your time.

KevinHutchins (talk) 11:58, 7 September 2022 (EDT)

Thank you for your kind welcome[edit]

I have never really contributed to or edited wikis in the past, so I was very thoughtful with the change that I made, and was sure to document it. I did search my collection of reference material for Traveller and did not find specific mentions of the vargr having any human politics :P

Has a template broken?[edit]

All of a sudden, every page I look at that uses the StellarDataQuery template and has a value in the Sophonts field of its /data page is expanding it 'five' times, twice in Spanish (example: Regina (world). I can't for the life of me figure out why, and it doesn't look like anyone's edited a relevant template lately. Any ideas what's up? Patrick Morris Miller (talk) 15:28, 16 December 2022 (EST)

The problem is the underlying cargo tables have duplicated entries. I'll need to clean them up to fix the problem. Probably later today. Tjoneslo (talk) 00:28, 17 December 2022 (EST)
Gotcha and thanks. Patrick Morris Miller (talk) 10:02, 17 December 2022 (EST)

Message[edit]

Hi,

you had sent me a message. Did I something wrong? For now I'm just adding thing to add some more colour to traveller, I just prepare for some stories which should play in the Traveller Universe.

message[edit]

thank you very much. i was a little bit unsure about my idea to add content freely without talking to someone. as a german i'm a follow allways the the rule based guy. traveller i a game which i had played since first version of german translation from GDW book. If I could assist you, I would love to assist. I speak a little english (B-C Level), German native, and because we move next year to colombia, a little spanish. regards O.

Worldbuilding in Alpha Crucis[edit]

Hello Thomas, I'm back after an unintended hiatus. Now I'm wondering. I used to be, a long time ago, the HIWG coordinator/owner for Alpha Crucis Sector. What I'm wondering is, if I were to world build in the sector (or anywhere else for that matter) can I add things like world maps to the wiki? I'm not sure since that is a canon area whether that's allowed or not. I'm still interested in that area as it has low alien population (my personal bias) but intrigue with the Solomani Confederation along with some border 3I areas. Flyteach

Issue with World template (also can't add topics to help forum?)[edit]

Hi there! Sorry for piling directly into your talk page with a help request / bug report, but the instructions at Forum:Help_desk say to add the title of the help request into a box that doesn't exist...

My real issue is that I'm seeing weirdness with the way the world summary template works. If you look at Alexin (world) and Islent (world) the format of the summary is not at all similar. Additionally, the summary for Alexin describes it as a 'a high-population world with a billion or more sophonts in population size.' despite its UWP indicating a population in the tens of thousands.

If these are things a simple contributor can fix, I'm happy to help if you can point me in the right direction. Cheers!

BrainPunter (talk) 07:12, 25 January 2023 (EST)

"Next" link for "world listings" not working[edit]

Hi Thomas,

I noticed yesterday that on the Aslan page (but also on other pages too, it seems) the "next" link near the bottom of the page for "World listings" does not work when trying to step through the huge list of Aslan worlds. I've checked in both Firefox and Chrome, and while the page seems to refresh when the link is clicked, nothing actually changes and the newly presented page starts at the beginning of the world list again.

I have used the function successfully a while ago (months, I'd say) so whatever is preventing it from working must be a relatively new thing.

Regards, A AlexT (talk) 09:43, 27 May 2023 (EDT)

Article appearance problem since recent board maintenance / upgrade[edit]

Thomas,

Since the recent board upgrade, my "Lord Rhovanion" page looks massively different (and messed-up, actually) - See: Richard Elruinn Ilendrick Rhovanion.

  • (ADDENDUM: It seems to specifically be a problem with Microsoft Edge - It looks normal in Firefox. I also cannot see any of the editing buttons normally at the top of this window in MS Edge now, either).
I had an issue like that (different browser, different OS, different page) that went away after I cleared the browser cache. My bet is that will fix it.
You are brilliant. That worked perfect.

Source of Star data[edit]

I would like to know what the source was for the stellar data contained in the sub-pages of https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Star/data, e.g. https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Star/data/Class_III; in particular the Diameter value.

I noticed that it is not consistent with the Classic Traveller Book 6: Scouts, so I am trying find what the source was.

It appears from the https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/index.php?title=Star/data/Class_III&action=history, that you created them ~16 August 2020. If I have misinterpreted that, my apologies - but would you happedn to know who did?

Thank you, Ken Hooper sacrifice36@gmail.com

https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/User_talk:Tjoneslo/archive-2020#Stellar_Template_Upgrade - this is the discussion about generation of the star data. There was a spreadsheet with the original data used to generate the table in the wiki, generated from Wikipedia and other sources of real world data. You may need to ask either of the other users. 06:41, 17 October 2023 (EDT)

Cargo Commit[edit]

When you're free please https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/index.php?title=Template:InfoboxIMTU&action=recreatedata

Thanks! Korok (talk) 04:11, 29 November 2023 (EST)

Done! Tjoneslo (talk) 05:02, 29 November 2023 (EST)
Quick question; it might be me not seeing the obvious Special:CargoTables is there an action I should be seeing somewhere on the page to switch to the new table? Korok (talk) 06:08, 30 November 2023 (EST)

Missing Images[edit]

Thanks mate, I'll see if anything is missing and reinstate any that are. Its been a bit of a busy week (a couple of new books in the works from Moon Toad, so that's been my main focus) so we might well have gotten away fairly lightly. Very much appreciate your letting me know.

Alagoric (talk) 09:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)