Editing Talk:Third Imperium


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== Links (2018) ==
# EXTERNAL LINK: [https://www.facebook.com/groups/travellerrpg/permalink/1910168222434677/ Why does the 3rd Imperium exist? Other than security (a pretty major factor) what advantage does being a member bring with it?]  
: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 10:22, 10 November 2018 (EST)

== Links (2017) ==
Imperial Taxes Discussion:
# EXTERNAL LINK: [https://www.facebook.com/groups/travellerrpg/permalink/1248449255273247/ FB Trav RPG Imp Taxes]
: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 11:22, 18 March 2017 (EDT)

== Links (2016) ==
Imperial Culture discussion at CotI: 
# EXTERNAL LINK: [http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=34826 ]
: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 08:49, 7 January 2016 (EST)

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MoJ and intelligence discussion:
# EXTERNAL LINK:  [http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=35841 CotI]
: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 13:14, 4 March 2016 (EST)

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# EXTERNAL LINK: [http://foxhole53.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=120 A Brief History of The Imperium [Traveller Introduction]]
: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 12:59, 21 October 2016 (EDT)

== Notes (2017) ==
Every sector of [[Imperial Space]] is now built out.
* Many need updating to the latest standard, but are otherwise done. 
* Baseline entries now established for every world.
* As is previously noted, the world number totals diverge from different earlier estimates in many cases.
* Some of the more frequented sectors have a number of non-canon worlds added to the counts. 
: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 10:34, 17 December 2017 (EST)

==Ziru Sirka vs. Ziru Sirkaa (2017) ==
The wiki states that "Sirkaa" with two a's represents the 3rd Imperium.  I thought it represents the reconstituted Vilani Empire during the Rebellion years. 
: - [[User:Rje|Rje]] ([[User talk:Rje|talk]]) 08:52, 13 September 2017 (EDT)

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: That was my understanding as well. [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 09:21, 13 September 2017 (EDT)
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I don't know who originally put that in. I suspect D. Corrin. We should source it and make corrections if necessary.
: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 14:19, 13 September 2017 (EDT)

== Number of worlds in the Imperium (2017) ==
I finally got around to pulling the data from TravMap - interesting development - There are 8,990 systems in the various domains with 197 identified as Client states giving us a total of 9187 within the boundaries of the Third Imperium.
 ImAp	23	Amec Protectorate
 ImDa	1,152	Domain of Antares
 ImDc	1,557	Domain of Sylea
 ImDd	701	Domain of Deneb
 ImDg	303	Domain of Gateway
 ImDi	1,625	Domain of Ilelish
 ImDs	1,688	Domain of Sol
 ImDv	1,635	Domain of Vland
 ImLa	12	League of Antares
 ImLc	181     Lancian Cultural Region
 ImLu	57      Luriani Cultural Association
 ImSy	25	Sylean Worlds
 ImVd	31	Vegan Autonomous District
 CsIm	197	Client state

Have I missed some or has the "inflated" number been around so long that the T5 Second Survey has finally put a concrete number in place that will change our "viewpoint" on the size of the 3I? - [[User:Ssteve|Ssteve]] ([[User talk:Ssteve|talk]]) 10:37, 21 April 2017 (EDT)

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: [[User:Ssteve|Ssteve]], those numbers are always being futzed with. They float and change as some of the users play with the data. I've seen the numbers float from the high 8,000's to the low 11,000's. Don't be surprised if they change again soon.
: I've missed you around the wiki and hope that you are well.
: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 10:44, 21 April 2017 (EDT)

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: I would hope that TrvellerMap allegiances and numbers wouldn't change so much after the T5SS scrub....
: - [[User:Ssteve|Ssteve]] ([[User talk:Ssteve|talk]]) 11:13, 21 April 2017 (EDT)

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: The 11,000 number was something made up by the GDW crew and never backed by any real numbers. The ~8990 number has been known ever since the DGP group had their computer generate the actual stars across the Imperial sectors. See [[TD10|Travellers' Digest 10]] p. 42. It's shifted by a few worlds over the years, and depending upon which dataset you used, as some of the border client states were added or removed. See also [[Trade map summary]], and the history of the page to see how the number has changed over the years. I've never seen any other values for worlds in the Imperium.
: The Traveller Digest article attempts to explain the discrepancy between the 11,000 and the 8,990 number by having the Binary and Trinary systems include two sets of main worlds. 
: There are two sets of worlds that are not part of the Third Imperium that may still be counted. 
# The first is the worlds of the Julian Protectorate. These worlds are on the Antares main, and were part of the First and Second Imperium. The JP managed to repel the Third Imperium.  
# Second is the Solomani Sphere. Which was part of the Third Imperium until the Rim war. The Solomani Sphere has 1,783 worlds, which added to the current Third Imperium is within spitting distance of 11,000. 
: [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 20:54, 21 April 2017 (EDT)

== WHULorigan Notes (2016) ==
Added '''Progress of the Third Imperum: Historical Eras''' table from the Appendix of ''[[Agent of the Imperium]]'' by ''[[Marc Miller]]''

== Ramspite Notes (2010) ==
"..., no archduke was never appointed." double negative. 
* I changed it to read "..., no archduke was ever appointed."
* [[User:Ramspite|Ramspite]] 07:03, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
@@ Line 43: / Line 43: @@
 I don't know who originally put that in. I suspect D. Corrin. We should source it and make corrections if necessary.
 : - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 14:19, 13 September 2017 (EDT)
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-* '''Ziru Sirka''' is the 1st Imperium
-* '''Ziru Sirkaa''' is the Restored Vilani Imperium (ca 1120), though I believe I have seen Marc Miller (under T5) use it as a term for the ''Third Imperium'' as well (to add confusion).
-:*--[[User:WHULorigan|WHULorigan]] ([[User talk:WHULorigan|talk]]) 17:37, 13 September 2017 (EDT)
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 == Number of worlds in the Imperium (2017) ==