Talk:Argushiigi Admegulasha Bilanidin

notes (2018)

"AAB Standard Library Data Entry Layout" THis is metadata that should not be part of this article. This is about the history of the AAB, not the entries. Tjoneslo (talk) 14:40, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

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Ok. Thank you for stating your opinion.

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 15:33, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

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Thank you for your consideration of my opinions.

- Tjoneslo (talk) 23:51, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

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"AAB Standard Library Data Entry Layout"

My understanding is that entries 1 to 4a are a written description of an in-game item, an AAB data entry.

That in-game item is described in terms we, as real-life users of metadata, see as metadata.

Entries 1 to 4a are an important part of the wiki entry as they stand because they detail the layout that the characters see when they read an AAB article, and it is the formatting that the characters use if they create (or adjust) an AAB article. If an article that the characters are reviewing is outside of the parameters of entries 1 to 4a, it may well be supurious, unofficial, or otherwise unreliable.

Alagoric (talk) 18:02, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

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My concern here is the section does not fit in the over all article. The AAB article is about the institution. This section should go in a separate or sub-article about the AAB encyclopedia data. Tjoneslo (talk) 23:51, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

totally understood, many thanks. I really like the whole layers within layers aspect of it, most people who access the wiki are born delvers and investigators, and I do feel that the more valid, interesting links we can provide for them the better. It creates a deeper, richer user experience and that's nothing but good. Are there many canon examples of actual AAB entries? – just thinking that having an example or two for users to sidetrack onto would be worthwhile. There might be a potential source or two for AAB-related material in Jae Campbell's Dagudashaag stuff. Cheers mate.

Alagoric (talk) 04:27, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

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The original Library Data entries followed the format of an old style work like Encyclopedia Britannia: An entry name followed by a wall of text. You can see this in the Imperial Encyclopedia. This style of entry relies heavily on writing/editing to maintain organization of the entries.

The layout presented here is entirely Maksim's invention. It's a derivative of the style presented in Wikipedia. Section headers are used to provide organization. Though Wikipedia is a more flexible about the presence or absence of the organization headers to what's appropriate to the article. The header format organization makes more sense for the electronic publishing.

My thought of this would point at the Manual of Style as the working example of the AAB Entries. There are multiple variations for the different kinds of entries. Tjoneslo (talk) 06:43, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

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It actually came from discussion with many of the old timers. I'm trying to get their permission to cite them.

It's derived from old OSS files. I resurrected the idea.

The first library data files from old Keith Bros. notes came in two forms, the data monologue and the more proper file like this one. The Keith Bros. actually cited the AAB in many entries/publications such as CT SS-2 Exotic Atmospheres, which I have been quoting lately.

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 10:02, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

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You mentioned the Description/Dossier distinction and the idea of the source when you first proposed the idea. Do you have an online link to a more detailed history or description of the idea? Or at least some terms to run into the Google Machine? Not having a background in diplomacy I find the difference between a description and a dossier is a little vague.

Also didn't you change the format to use slashes e.g. "History & Background / Dossier" ? Tjoneslo (talk) 14:06, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

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No, most of that data came from BBS and earlier days before everything was recorded and archived on the internet. A lot of it is hand written notes that I need to scan at some point. Discussion of Trav using a regular Library Data format, not just the paragraphed monologues.

I'll see what I can find for you on OSS and CIA files. Some of it must be online by now.

I am okay with multiple formats running at the same time or even mixes of the formats. Slashed, parentheses, upper case, lower case... it all makes it seem more real.

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 21:44, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

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I would like to open by saying that, in general, I agree Tjoneslo that the good and solid material put forth by Maksim-Smelchak concerning "AAB Standard Library Data Entry Layout" should be a separate article or section. Ideally, in my opinion, it would be incorporated, as hinted above, as a part of the Manual of Style. While the wonderful thing about wiki, also noted above, is the incredible format flexibility that exists, there are some wikis that use a 'Featured Article' concept in which there are specific guidelines that must be met to qualify for featuring. If the AAB layout is the exemplar for this wiki, then having it as a Manual of Style format seems fitting. And then rewarding those articles that meet that guideline in some way would be the motivation for authors to leverage that style in their submission, contributions, and edits. Thanks for the chance to provide input. FarScout275 (talk) 04:47, 29 April 2018 (EDT)