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: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 22:59, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
 
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:: Change the definition of Ht to be "Above one standard deviation from the average TL of the subsector". and the definition of Lt to be "Below one standard deviation from the average TL of the Subsector". [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 19:49, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
 
:: Change the definition of Ht to be "Above one standard deviation from the average TL of the subsector". and the definition of Lt to be "Below one standard deviation from the average TL of the Subsector". [[User:Tjoneslo|Tjoneslo]] ([[User talk:Tjoneslo|talk]]) 19:49, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
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I don't think that is a good idea. Mongoose does it by Charted Space.
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: The reason I included the feature after everyone else rejected it for year is because FFE directed me to make the entries maximally compatible across the versions of Traveller. It was at one of the teleconferences earlier this year. 
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: I don't think we have anyone willing to redo the over 10,000 worlds that would need to be checked and redone. Even with automation, it doesn't seem wise.
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: If you decide you must redo Dagu that way, go for it. Please leave a post on the discussion pages of each subsector, sector, or whatever detail level you desire so that others will know what is going on if they check.
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: Please let me know your decision.
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: Thank you.
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: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 19:57, 14 July 2017 (EDT)

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Forums: Index > Watercooler > Trade classification: Ht and Lt



Discussion (2017)

There are two Trade classification codes used by Mongoose Traveller which are not in T5: Lt (low technology) and Ht (High technology). In the Mongoose definition, Lt is (IIRC) any world below TL–8, and HT is any world TL–12 or higher.

This definition works ok for the Mongoose data set, which is the Third Imperium in 1105. But the Wiki covers a broader area, in both time and space, it's quite easy to find places where the definition no longer conveys the intention of the trade classification code.

The obvious example would be Milieu 0, where the maximum TL is 12. Wouldn't a TL–11 world also be counted as Ht, as it is at or near the top of the TL scale for the time.

So I'm recommending we adopt the Ht/Lt trade classification code, but with a slight change. If you read the generated summary for each subsector (e.g. Shallows Subsector/summary), and each sector (e.g. Dagudashaag Sector/summary). The last sentence of these summary as a range of TLs for the area. For example: The average technology level is 9 (with most between 6 and 11).

The average TL is exactly what would would think (sum TLs divided by number of worlds, rounded to an integer). The upper and lower numbers are one standard deviation, covering about 68% of the worlds.

In this Wiki definition, the Lt code would apply to any world with TL–5 or less, the Ht code applied to any world with TL–12 or higher.

For areas or eras with different set of TLs you would get a different range for Ht and Lt worlds. This would be much more useful than a fixed set of values that may or may not apply to the space or time.

The only question I have is how large an area should we consider. We could use either the Subsector or Sector. Tjoneslo (talk) 23:41, 8 June 2017 (EDT)


I support this notion. Sounds imminently logical.
- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 22:09, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

Lt and Ht are set for 1105 datasets, the default at the wiki.
Lt covers 5 and below.
- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 07:24, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

That was the whole point of my rant above. I wanted to change the definition. The suggestion was shrinking the spacial component from "Charted Space" to "Subsector" or "Sector" so we could expand the temporal component and still have everything make sense.
Now I'm confused, Either you like the suggestion or you don't. Tjoneslo (talk) 22:22, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

I think that perhaps I have not grasped what you want. What do you want?
- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 22:59, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

Change the definition of Ht to be "Above one standard deviation from the average TL of the subsector". and the definition of Lt to be "Below one standard deviation from the average TL of the Subsector". Tjoneslo (talk) 19:49, 14 July 2017 (EDT)

I don't think that is a good idea. Mongoose does it by Charted Space.

The reason I included the feature after everyone else rejected it for year is because FFE directed me to make the entries maximally compatible across the versions of Traveller. It was at one of the teleconferences earlier this year.
I don't think we have anyone willing to redo the over 10,000 worlds that would need to be checked and redone. Even with automation, it doesn't seem wise.
If you decide you must redo Dagu that way, go for it. Please leave a post on the discussion pages of each subsector, sector, or whatever detail level you desire so that others will know what is going on if they check.
Please let me know your decision.
Thank you.
- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 19:57, 14 July 2017 (EDT)