Forum:SophontData infobox update
Discussion (2018)
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| Base Information | |
| Classification | {{{type}}} |
| Status | {{{status}}} |
| Terrain | {{{terrain}}} |
| Locomotion | {{{locomotion}}} |
| Size | {{{size}}} |
| Weight | {{{weight}}} |
| Culture | |
| Communications | {{{language}}} |
| Social Structure | {{{government}}} |
| Technology Epoch | {{{epoch}}} |
| Psi Potential | {{{psi}}} |
| Homeworld | |
| Homeworld | {{{home}}} |
| UWP | {{{uwp}}} |
| Primary Star | {{{primary}}} |
| Multi-world | {{{multi}}} |
| Extinct | {{{extinct}}} |
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Maksim and I have been kicking around a few ideas to update the Template:SophontData with more relevant information and make it more generally useful. In addition to the template update, this would capture this information in the underlying Special:CargoTables/Sophonts cargo table.
The Base Information section has been expanded from the Template:Animal simple.
The Details section has been expanded from several notes, and the discussion from earlier.
The Homeworld section has been expanded based upon several notes about the home world of the races and details. The plan in the UWP parameter will have the same pop-up functionality that happens in the Template:UWP currently. So people can see what the UWP values are.
The values for these new fields (where they have a defined list) would be:
- Status
- Major Race
- Minor Human Race
- Minor Race
- Uplift Race
- <X> Chimera
- <X> Ethnic Group
- Terrain (This is from the T5 rules)
- Clear
- Desert
- Exotic (include note)
- Forest
- Mountains
- Ocean
- Ocean Depths
- Rough
- Waterways
- Wetlands
- Locomotion (This is from the T5 Rules)
- Amphibian
- Aquatic
- Dives
- Drifts
- Exotic (include note)
- Flyer
- Flyphib
- Static
- Swimmer
- Triphibian
- Walker
- Government
- None
- Autocracy
- Balkanization
- Corporation
- Democracy
- Oligarchy
- Republic
- Technocracy
- Epoch (this is from the T5 rules)
- TL-0 Found Tools
- TL:1-3 Tool Making
- TL:4-6 Mass Production
- TL:7-9 Processors
- TL:10-12 Gravitics
- TL:13-15 Biologics
- TL:16-18 Artificials
- TL:19-21 Matter Transport
- TL:22-24 Transformations
- TL:25-27 Psionics
- TL:29-30 Stellar
- TL:31-33 Pocket Universe
- TL-34+ Signularity
Outstanding questions:
- Language: Did we want this to be just one (primary) language, or did we want to include a list of (potentially) several languages. For several what criteria are used for determining inclusion.
- Status: Maksim asked to include a list of Status types (minor race, minor human race). This seems utterly redundant to me, but opinons are sought.
All feedback is requested and welcomed. Tjoneslo (talk) 14:47, 28 October 2018 (EDT)
Comma for the languages.
- TL & TL-Epoch for the tech.
- Atmo & Grav.
- Terrain or Environ?
- Please.
- - Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 07:47, 30 October 2018 (EDT)
I now understand why you want the list of status type. It's unnecessary to allow the template to add categories to the page since they should obvious if you select the primary one correctly. The status should be one category (a primary one), and the template will derive the other categories as needed.
- Using the term "Minor non-human race" is redundant. None of the minor races are human (a major race) by definition. It's also not the common or canon term.
- The term "Variant Race" is undefined. Which race is it a variant of? Do you have examples of Variant races that are not Chimera or Ethnic Groups?
- "terrain" is the term used in the Template:Animal and referenced by the T5 core rules.
- The inclusion of the full UWP captures the gravity, atmosphere, hydrographics, and Tech Level of the homeworld. (if known).
- I'd like the simpler version of the Epoch, it make entering the values correctly easier. The template can be smart enough to include the TL range if needed.
- Tjoneslo (talk) 09:22, 30 October 2018 (EDT)
Please leave manual option even if you like the automation. Minor race and Minor Human Race.
- I don't believe in obvious because what is obvious to you or me is often not obvious to others. I beleive in spelling things out as overtly and obviously as possible. I am maximalist, not minimalist. It's one of our stylistic preference differences.
- The sophontology terms are logical and ok and even used by MWM in many of his notes. Many have been in use suince CT and were used often in MT and other versions.
- We can define the terms later. They were coined by Inner Circle and MWM. They have pages defining them. We can work on the rest later.
- Many of the terms should be Venn diagrammed since they have overlaps.
- That's ok. Please don't reject it because you don't get it yet.
- Terrain is for animals (creatures). Why not use environ or environment for sophonts?
- Those other catagories (atmo, grav, etc.) are specifically important because we don't always have the UWP.
- I'm fine if there are multiple choices for the Epoch, but please include multiple entry options. TL:1-3 AND Tool Making Epoch.
- Happy to hear from you.
- - Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 21:00, 31 October 2018 (EDT)