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== Links (2019) ==
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# EXTERNAL LINK: [https://www.facebook.com/groups/travellerrpg/permalink/2402533296531498/ Inquiry about Unidentified Zho Fighter]
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# EXTERNAL LINK: [http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=39911 Redcap @ CotI: There appears to be a lack of Zho Destroyers for the FFW: Destroyer escorts, etc, yes, but no destroyers that I can find.]
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# EXTERNAL LINK: [https://www.facebook.com/groups/1983434455282987/permalink/2015853618707737/ OK, so, I've got some ships built for Zhodani fleets, I'm ready to take a stab at the 15th Colonial Fleet, which took part in the 5th Frontier war. Each Squadron is built around one Battleship, and is designed to support it. This is in contrast to squadrons of each type of ship in the Imperial fleet.] by [[Jon Schattke]]
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: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 18:43, 11 January 2019 (EST)
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== Notes (2019) ==
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''Zhodani Military Vessels:'' Like the [[Third Imperium]], the [[Zhodani Consulate]] maintains a three-tiered naval structure revolving around Local, Reserve, and Consulate fleets. The major difference between the two [[empire]]s is the degree of central support- and central control-which effects the forces maintained on the [[Planet|local]] and [[subsector]] levels of the chain. While the Imperium leaves maintenance and operation of these [[fleet]]s to [[World-State|local government]]s, incorporating them only as needed, the Consulate [[government]] provides large subsidies to these lower levels of the the naval hierarchy, allowing them to maintain larger, more sophisticated forces.
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This difference is largely caused by the difference in political philosophies and military stances which characterize the two powers. Imperial [[government]] is [[Feudal Confederation|semi-feudal]] and central authority is weak. The lessons of the [[Civil War]]s ([[604]]-[[622]]) have demonstrated the need to keep the most powerful [[vessel]]s out of the hands of possible rebels. While not as paranoid about political unity and loyalty as the [[Solomani]] [[government]], the Imperium finds it expedient to leave forces of the subsector and planetary navies to be supported by their own resources, while maintaining a powerful central reserve in the [[Imperial Navy]].
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The Consulate is on the other hand a democratic state, not a feudal one. Though the vote is limited strictly to the psionic nobility, it is still true that there is far greater unity of purpose in [[Zhodani]] [[society]] than there ever could be in the Imperium. Loyalty, support and trust flow both ways in the Consulate, Local planetary governments, or subsector governors are far less likely to even consider rebellion or civil war than their Imperial counterparts; hence better [[fleet]]s and military forces can safely be entrusted at this level of command.
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Simultaneously, the aggressive thrust of Zhodani policy makes maintenance of strong forces a must. Planetary and Reserve forces serve excellently since they can be maintained more efficiently from local [[base]]s, under local leadership. In time of [[war]], these forces are strengthened by Consulate forces, but still can be considered to be the primary force of the [[Zhodani Navy]].
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The [[military vessel]]s portrayed in this set as belonging to the Consulate have been designed primarily for use as part of the central [[Zhodani Navy]], but will also be found in fair numbers at other levels of Zhodani naval service. Older Zhodani vessels are often found in the service of various client states in the Far Frontiers and other sectors adjoining the Consulate's borders. Ships of this kind can be passed down the line through several different governments before finally seeing service in some small local navy.
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Personnel aboard [[Zhodani]] [[military vessel]]s are rigidly separated by the class structure of Zhodani [[society]]. [[Prole]]s are members of the lower classes and are normally found as [[crew]]men: No prole ever holds commissioned rank. [[Intendant]]s and [[Noble]]s are the psionic upper classes of Zhodani [[society]] and are almost always found as commissioned officers. (All undergo a period of practical training-including active space duty - before being commissioned, and hence may be found serving in the crew or warrant officers no matter what their social level and [[psionic talent]]s may be.)
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Ranks in the Zhodani Navy range from [[Ovet']]( Rank 01 - equivalent to [[Ensign]]) to [[Chtefchoaz]] (Rank 07 - equivalent to [[Commodore]] or [[Senior Captain]]), with various [[admiral]]'s ranks above. As in the [[Imperial Navy]], persons holding the rank of 06 - the equivalent of [[Captain]] are not the only officers found commanding ships. Those found in charge of the [[vessel]]s in this set will usually be designated [[Tsantedr]] or [[Tsantcheil]] (ranks 02 or 03, with officers of similar or lower rank serving in specialty positions.
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There is somewhat less distinction between the various branches of the Zhodani Navy and rank descend more or less in order of seniority, no matter what specialty a particular officer may have. Medical personnel, however, rarely have a rank higher than [[Tsantedr]], and hardly ever find themselves in command.
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For further information refer to [[Book 5]], [[High Guard (book)|High Guard]], [[Supplement 11]], [[Library Data (N-Z)|Library Data N-Z]], [[Journal of the Travellers' Aid Society 09|Journal of the Travellers' Aid Society No. 9]] ("Battle Fleets of the Marches" and "Contact: the Zhodani" and [[Game 4]], [[Fifth Frontier War (game)|The Fifth Frontier War]]. {{Page cite|name= Adventure Class Ships Volume 1 |page= 9-10 |article= Book 2 |version= Classic Traveller}}
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: - [[User:Maksim-Smelchak|Maksim-Smelchak]] ([[User talk:Maksim-Smelchak|talk]]) 21:32, 3 February 2019 (EST)
  
 
== Ron's Notes (2018) ==
 
== Ron's Notes (2018) ==
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=== Escorts ===
 
=== Escorts ===
* [[Chatl Class Leader Scout]] class 150 ton {{TL|14}}  
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* [[Chatl class Leader Scout]] class 150 ton {{TL|14}}  
* [[Dezhdrle Class Destroyer]] 5 kton {{TL|14}}  
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* [[Dezhdrle class Destroyer]] 5 kton {{TL|14}}  
* [[Dredlezhdr Class Fleet Escort]] 10 kton {{TL|14}}  
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* [[Dredlezhdr class Fleet Escort]] 10 kton {{TL|14}}  
* [[Ejdle Class Fleet Escort]] 10 kton {{TL|14}}  
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* [[Ejdle class Fleet Escort]] 10 kton {{TL|14}}  
* [[Enshbasi Class Destroyer]] 5 kton {{TL|14}}  
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* [[Enshbasi class Destroyer]] 5 kton {{TL|14}}  
* [[Ietlzhdrzhdrkre Class Fleet Escort]] 8 kton {{TL|14}}   
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* [[Ietlzhdrzhdrkre class Fleet Escort]] 8 kton {{TL|14}}   
* [[Ipltsiedle Class Destroyer Escort]] 1 kton {{TL|14}}  
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* [[Ipltsiedle class Destroyer Escort]] 1 kton {{TL|14}}  
* [[Jerzhtsie Class Destroyer]] 8 kton {{TL|14}}  
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* [[Jerzhtsie class Destroyer]] 8 kton {{TL|14}}  
* [[Ninz Class Scout]] 100 ton {{TL|14}}
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* [[Ninz class Scout]] 100 ton {{TL|14}}
* [[Shalis Class Patrol Corvette]] 600 ton {{TL|14}}  
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* [[Shalis class Patrol Corvette]] 600 ton {{TL|14}}  
 
* [[Shivva class Patrol Frigate]] 600 ton {{TL|13}}  
 
* [[Shivva class Patrol Frigate]] 600 ton {{TL|13}}  
* [[Vlezhdatl Class Zhodani Strike Cruiser]] 2 kton {{TL|14}}  
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* [[Vlezhdatl class Strike Cruiser]] 2 kton {{TL|14}}  
* [[Zdieench Class Destroyer Escort]] 1 kton {{TL|14}}  
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* [[Zdieench class Destroyer Escort]] 1 kton {{TL|14}}  
* [[Zhdits Class Destroyer Escort]] class 400 ton {{TL|14}}  
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* [[Zhdits class Destroyer Escort]] class 400 ton {{TL|14}}  
* [[Zhdrbaeliprietl Class Destroyer]] 6 kton {{TL|14}}  
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* [[Zhdrbaeliprietl class Destroyer]] 6 kton {{TL|14}}  
* [[Zhosibadle Class Destroyer Escort]] 1 kton {{TL|14}}
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* [[Zhosibadle class Destroyer Escort]] 1 kton {{TL|14}}
  
 
=== System Defense Boats ===
 
=== System Defense Boats ===
* [[Stedlas class System Defense Boat]] class 400 ton {{TL|14}}
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* [[Stedlas class System Defense Boat]] 400 ton {{TL|14}}
* [[Zhodatl Class SDB]] 1,000 ton {{TL|12}}
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* [[Zhodatl class System Defense Boat]] 1,000 ton {{TL|12}}
  
 
==== Known Fleets ====
 
==== Known Fleets ====

Latest revision as of 13:59, 18 September 2019

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Links (2019)[edit]

  1. EXTERNAL LINK: Inquiry about Unidentified Zho Fighter
  2. EXTERNAL LINK: Redcap @ CotI: There appears to be a lack of Zho Destroyers for the FFW: Destroyer escorts, etc, yes, but no destroyers that I can find.
  3. EXTERNAL LINK: OK, so, I've got some ships built for Zhodani fleets, I'm ready to take a stab at the 15th Colonial Fleet, which took part in the 5th Frontier war. Each Squadron is built around one Battleship, and is designed to support it. This is in contrast to squadrons of each type of ship in the Imperial fleet. by Jon Schattke
- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 18:43, 11 January 2019 (EST)

Notes (2019)[edit]

Zhodani Military Vessels: Like the Third Imperium, the Zhodani Consulate maintains a three-tiered naval structure revolving around Local, Reserve, and Consulate fleets. The major difference between the two empires is the degree of central support- and central control-which effects the forces maintained on the local and subsector levels of the chain. While the Imperium leaves maintenance and operation of these fleets to local governments, incorporating them only as needed, the Consulate government provides large subsidies to these lower levels of the the naval hierarchy, allowing them to maintain larger, more sophisticated forces.

This difference is largely caused by the difference in political philosophies and military stances which characterize the two powers. Imperial government is semi-feudal and central authority is weak. The lessons of the Civil Wars (604-622) have demonstrated the need to keep the most powerful vessels out of the hands of possible rebels. While not as paranoid about political unity and loyalty as the Solomani government, the Imperium finds it expedient to leave forces of the subsector and planetary navies to be supported by their own resources, while maintaining a powerful central reserve in the Imperial Navy.

The Consulate is on the other hand a democratic state, not a feudal one. Though the vote is limited strictly to the psionic nobility, it is still true that there is far greater unity of purpose in Zhodani society than there ever could be in the Imperium. Loyalty, support and trust flow both ways in the Consulate, Local planetary governments, or subsector governors are far less likely to even consider rebellion or civil war than their Imperial counterparts; hence better fleets and military forces can safely be entrusted at this level of command.

Simultaneously, the aggressive thrust of Zhodani policy makes maintenance of strong forces a must. Planetary and Reserve forces serve excellently since they can be maintained more efficiently from local bases, under local leadership. In time of war, these forces are strengthened by Consulate forces, but still can be considered to be the primary force of the Zhodani Navy.

The military vessels portrayed in this set as belonging to the Consulate have been designed primarily for use as part of the central Zhodani Navy, but will also be found in fair numbers at other levels of Zhodani naval service. Older Zhodani vessels are often found in the service of various client states in the Far Frontiers and other sectors adjoining the Consulate's borders. Ships of this kind can be passed down the line through several different governments before finally seeing service in some small local navy.

Personnel aboard Zhodani military vessels are rigidly separated by the class structure of Zhodani society. Proles are members of the lower classes and are normally found as crewmen: No prole ever holds commissioned rank. Intendants and Nobles are the psionic upper classes of Zhodani society and are almost always found as commissioned officers. (All undergo a period of practical training-including active space duty - before being commissioned, and hence may be found serving in the crew or warrant officers no matter what their social level and psionic talents may be.)

Ranks in the Zhodani Navy range from Ovet'( Rank 01 - equivalent to Ensign) to Chtefchoaz (Rank 07 - equivalent to Commodore or Senior Captain), with various admiral's ranks above. As in the Imperial Navy, persons holding the rank of 06 - the equivalent of Captain are not the only officers found commanding ships. Those found in charge of the vessels in this set will usually be designated Tsantedr or Tsantcheil (ranks 02 or 03, with officers of similar or lower rank serving in specialty positions.

There is somewhat less distinction between the various branches of the Zhodani Navy and rank descend more or less in order of seniority, no matter what specialty a particular officer may have. Medical personnel, however, rarely have a rank higher than Tsantedr, and hardly ever find themselves in command.

For further information refer to Book 5, High Guard, Supplement 11, Library Data N-Z, Journal of the Travellers' Aid Society No. 9 ("Battle Fleets of the Marches" and "Contact: the Zhodani" and Game 4, The Fifth Frontier War. [1]

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 21:32, 3 February 2019 (EST)

Ron's Notes (2018)[edit]

Ron's 2016 notes. From: Zhodani Navy Fleet Composition. Now at Zhodani Navy.

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 09:39, 20 October 2018 (EDT)

General Classes[edit]

Battleships[edit]

Battle Carriers & Riders[edit]

Battle Riders

Fleet Carriers[edit]

Cruisers[edit]

Escorts[edit]

System Defense Boats[edit]

Known Fleets[edit]

  1. The Zhodani 1st Assault Fleet has (11) BatRons and (7) CruRons
  2. The Zhodani 2nd Assault Fleet has (7) BatRons and (5) CruRons
  3. The Zhodani 3rd Assault Fleet has (6) BatRons and (6) CruRons
  4. The Zhodani 10th Fleet has (11) BatRons and (20) CruRons
  5. The Zhodani 15th Fleet has (4) BatRons and (5) CruRons
  6. The Zhodani 35th Fleet has (4) BatRons and (4) CruRons
  7. The Zhodani 40th Fleet has (4) BatRons and (7) CruRons

Notes (2016)[edit]

  • Zhdits
  • Chatl
  • Shivva
  • Vrapkenchkinj

Permission (2015)[edit]

Ronald B. Kline, Jr., please E-mail the BITS guy and get permission.


He is Andy Lilly and the BITS web site is: BITS Website


Many of the BITS articles on lifeforms from the 101 series only allow partial permission. User:Tjoneslo would know more.


Email sent, waiting for reply.


Thanks, Ron.