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I have had a thought concerning Orders of Knighthood in general. Some of the typical ranks in British orders can include (though not all orders include all of these levels): | I have had a thought concerning Orders of Knighthood in general. Some of the typical ranks in British orders can include (though not all orders include all of these levels): | ||
| − | * Grand Master ( | + | * Grand Master (head of the order and otherwise of the highest rank within the order) |
* Knight Grand Commander (or Knight Grand Cross) | * Knight Grand Commander (or Knight Grand Cross) | ||
| − | * Knight Commander | + | * Knight Commander / Knight Companion |
* Knight (Officer) | * Knight (Officer) | ||
| − | * Knight | + | * Knight or Chevalier |
| − | * Commander | + | * Commander / Companion |
| − | * Officer | + | * Officer (or Lieutenant) |
| − | * | + | * Frater/Soror or Member |
| + | |||
| + | See: [[Wikipedia: Order_of_chivalry#Typical_insignia_and_ranks|Ranks within Orders of Chivalry]] | ||
To my knowledge, in British usage, not all members of an order are technically knights; some levels are merely non-knightly member-associates of the order. In general, the levels/ranks within the order that confer actual knighthood have the term "knight" somewhere in the name of the level. Lower levels without the term "knight" explicitly in them are not technically a "knight" (although it is often common practice when granting such a lower-level title to also secondarily grant a bachelor knighthood along with it). This would be an interesting way of distinguishing what makes a person C6/Soc = 10 (A) ("Imperial Gentleman") as compared to simply the average person of the local gentry (C6/Soc = 9). So (in the Order of the Third Imperium, for example) someone with Soc=10 might be "''John Smith, OTI''", or "''Eneri Ishli, MTI''". An actual knight of the order (C6/Soc = 11 (B)) might then be "''Sir William Worthington, KTI''" or "''Sir Franics Lisadi, KCTI''". | To my knowledge, in British usage, not all members of an order are technically knights; some levels are merely non-knightly member-associates of the order. In general, the levels/ranks within the order that confer actual knighthood have the term "knight" somewhere in the name of the level. Lower levels without the term "knight" explicitly in them are not technically a "knight" (although it is often common practice when granting such a lower-level title to also secondarily grant a bachelor knighthood along with it). This would be an interesting way of distinguishing what makes a person C6/Soc = 10 (A) ("Imperial Gentleman") as compared to simply the average person of the local gentry (C6/Soc = 9). So (in the Order of the Third Imperium, for example) someone with Soc=10 might be "''John Smith, OTI''", or "''Eneri Ishli, MTI''". An actual knight of the order (C6/Soc = 11 (B)) might then be "''Sir William Worthington, KTI''" or "''Sir Franics Lisadi, KCTI''". | ||
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Notes (2019)
I have had a thought concerning Orders of Knighthood in general. Some of the typical ranks in British orders can include (though not all orders include all of these levels):
- Grand Master (head of the order and otherwise of the highest rank within the order)
- Knight Grand Commander (or Knight Grand Cross)
- Knight Commander / Knight Companion
- Knight (Officer)
- Knight or Chevalier
- Commander / Companion
- Officer (or Lieutenant)
- Frater/Soror or Member
See: Ranks within Orders of Chivalry
To my knowledge, in British usage, not all members of an order are technically knights; some levels are merely non-knightly member-associates of the order. In general, the levels/ranks within the order that confer actual knighthood have the term "knight" somewhere in the name of the level. Lower levels without the term "knight" explicitly in them are not technically a "knight" (although it is often common practice when granting such a lower-level title to also secondarily grant a bachelor knighthood along with it). This would be an interesting way of distinguishing what makes a person C6/Soc = 10 (A) ("Imperial Gentleman") as compared to simply the average person of the local gentry (C6/Soc = 9). So (in the Order of the Third Imperium, for example) someone with Soc=10 might be "John Smith, OTI", or "Eneri Ishli, MTI". An actual knight of the order (C6/Soc = 11 (B)) might then be "Sir William Worthington, KTI" or "Sir Franics Lisadi, KCTI".
It should be noted though, that this is a peculiarity of the British System of Honours. Continental Knighthoods do not necessarily follow this distinction. The Third Imperium likely draws its Terran-based traditions from several ancient traditions.
- - WHULorigan (talk) 22:07, 24 February 2019 (EST)
Please run with these ideas, Wayne.
- Make it happen as you see fit.
- - Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 18:32, 23 March 2019 (EDT)
- Will do.
- - --WHULorigan (talk) 18:42, 23 March 2019 (EDT)