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Notes (2018)

I am in the process of trying to map out some of the Mains within Charted Space, and I have several questions...Bear with me….

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I might point out, Steve, that there is a lot of overlap in routes. That's ok. Just be aware that some routes might have multiple different names to different cultures and races. Just the usual Trav chaos.

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 19:32, 30 January 2018 (EST)

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• Yes, I have noted that already. Having said that and looking at the great amount of data that has already been generated within published data and my own efforts there will certainly be a great amount of overlap. 09:02, 2 February 2018 (EST)

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Thanks. Great job.

- 10:02, 2 February 2018 (EST)

2018-01

Lishun Sector lists the Lishun Main, but when I look at TravellerMap I would like to rename this to the Lishun-Gashikan Main because it spans 10 sectors…

1. 25+ systems in Amdukan,
2. 118 systems in Antares – this is an accurate count-
3. 75+ systems in Gashikan,
4. 20+ systems in Gzasfueg,
5. 20+ systems in Trenchans,
6. 237 systems in Lishun, – this is an accurate count-
7. 75+ systems in Mendan,
8. 30+ systems in Meshan,
9. 2 systems in Vland, – this is an accurate count- and
10. 7 systems in Windhorn,

Lishun Sector also lists a Greater Annililik Run as well as the Annilik Triangle, but I can't seem to find any reference in my library to any of these.

A search for the Greater Annililik Run gives you Trojan Reach, Reft, Deneb, Corridor, Vland, Lishun as well as Core sectors. Since this is a “Run”, I suppose it wouldn’t be a J-1 Main, but rather a J-2 route (run). Does anyone have a published reference to this term?

A search for the Annililik Triangle gives you, Vland, Lishun as well as Core sectors, with no relevant Main that hits those sectors. Could we suggests that this is a combination of j-1 mains? Does anyone have a published reference to this term?

I am aware of Annililik Run, the book, but I can’t seem to locate my copy right now. So any help would be appreciated.

My primary reason to post this in the forum, rather than on the Lishun Sector page is because I anticipate further questions as I work way way through Charted Space.

- Ssteve (talk) 15:29, 11 January 2018 (EST)

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I just did a search through the Annililik Run book, but it contains no other references. The book title really refers to the main ship (The Annililik: 600 Tons, J4, M2) and it's travels from Vland to Core. The book itself contains no astrographic data, just a collection of worlds to visit and have adventures on. It makes exactly one reference to "Annililik Run", with the implication it is the trip between Vland and Core.

The book makes no reference to the Annililik Triangle. Tjoneslo (talk) 18:47, 11 January 2018 (EST)

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It's not in the regular material. It's in the unpublished material.

• Will have to dig out the citations.
• One of the authors, not Ward, also mentions it on his web site.

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 23:07, 11 January 2018 (EST)

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http://www.converj.com/sites/gushemege/commentary/annililik_run.html -> has a better synopsis of the book, and a clearer description of the Run itself missing from the book. This entry was written by David Burden, and it's his website. He may have more information directly. Tjoneslo (talk) 06:40, 12 January 2018 (EST)

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Thank you.

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 09:09, 12 January 2018 (EST)

Greater Annililik Run

• Every 4 years a competition, synonymous with the Run, is held in which competing teams have to travel as quickly and profitably as they can from Vland to Capital. Played either as a competition between PCs, or as PCs against referee run adversaries ( Wacky Races in space? ) the PCs keep those deals and jumps coming fast.

Annililik Triangle

• Ships have been disappearing for years, but recently so may have gone that traders are afraid to complete the Run. The PCs are recruited by a world desperate to see trade restored to find out just what is going on.
  • Thinking about the "tail end" of the run as the point of the triangle, widening to about 6 hexes in width at the border between Core and Lishun.; at the rimward end of the Vilani main.

Ssteve (talk) 21:59, 29 January 2018 (EST)

2018-02

Planning on going through Trojan Reaches to Ley Sector (Trailing to Spinward)

• Done!
• Over 4,000 systems so far, with associated mains, clusters etc.... getting to be quite a long list...

- Ssteve (talk) 21:59, 29 January 2018 (EST)

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Through Delphi Sector (6926 systems so far....)

- Ssteve (talk) 16:01, 7 February 2018 (EST)

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Looks great. Thanks.

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 22:06, 7 February 2018 (EST)

1. Antares
2. Core
3. Corridor
4. Dagudashaag
5. Delphi
6. Deneb
7. Empty Quarter
8. Fornast
9. Glimmerdrift Reaches
10. Gushemege
11. Ilelish
12. Ley
13. Lishun
14. Massilia
15. Reft
16. Spinward Marches
17. Trojan Reach
18. Verge
19. Vland
20. Zarushagar

So far; Hinterworlds is next...Ssteve (talk) 11:41, 11 February 2018 (EST)

Hinterworlds is done; 9000+ plus systems; updated the spreadsheet with the "current" names for clusters; posted to G-drive.

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Set up arbitrary size parameters with matching map colorization and updated all sector maps completed:

• Large Main = 250+
• Medium Main = 100-250
• Small Main = 45-100
• Large Cluster = 25-45
• Medium Cluster = 10-25
• Small Cluster = 5-10

14 sectors to go, if I want to include the Solomani Rim into the Second Survey Atlas; planning on printing a couple of coffee-table sized (11x17) limited editions and planning for legal sized (8.5x14) final product at about 90 pages.

- Ssteve (talk) 22:07, 26 February 2018 (EST)

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Ssteve, I used this page for designating my arbitrary size parameters:

• Trade map key

Which rendered out these parameters:

1. Pliabriebl Sector
   1. Greater Mains (Blue & Cyan Lines: 51+ destinations)
   2. Lesser Mains (Green & Yellow Lines: 11-50 destinations)
   3. Micro Mains (Red & Pink Lines: 0-10 destinations)

Thomas put the kaibosh on it at the time and I acceded, later updating all sectors except those on the fringes of Charted Space.

I think a system of trade route differentiation is important and I like your work. It's something that needs to be done, but it will require being ready to defy the grognard naysayers.

It's important to differentiate the astronomic (naturally occurring scientific groupings) systems and the socionomic (sophont-derived trade routes) groupings. There is overlap and that's hard for some to grasp.

Two other I might consult are:

• Jump Bridge
• Trade Route

No one has really considered the full affect of jump bridges although Mongoose is on the way towards integrating the ideas.

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 07:41, 27 February 2018 (EST)

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I put a kibosh on this because you were conflating two unrelated things in a way that was ultimately totally confusing for everyone involved.

• The colors and routes generated by the trade map generator are economic in nature, and depend upon the number of sophonts existing on the worlds.
• The Trade Map key shows the volume of trade and passengers, hence the number and size of ships, traveling between two worlds. There is no relation to the number of system connected.
• The Mains and clusters are astrographic, hence physical, in nature. These would exist even if there are no sophonts in the area of charted space.
• Trade routes do not follow the mains or clusters, and have not since the invention of the Jump-2 drive.
• Clusters and Mains do not determine the where the trade flows or occurs. They are only an interesting astrographic feature of the maps.
• I really don't mind the idea of having sizes to the mains, and giving them colors based upon their size or importance. That is an important aspect of generating useful maps.
• Please don't use the Trade map key as a reference for the size and scope of the Mains and clusters. They're not the same thing.

Tjoneslo (talk) 17:33, 27 February 2018 (EST)

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Oh, I almost forgot; the Vilani Main is the biggest one so far...1,000 plus system; is anybody up for a possible source book style write-up (not me!).

- Ssteve (talk) 22:07, 26 February 2018 (EST)

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The Spinward Main is the largest well documented main. None of the other large ones have even close to any canon documentation. And no one has ever fully routed or documented the Spinward Main.

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 07:43, 27 February 2018 (EST)

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I hadn't planned on using the Trade Key Map, primarily because it is economically driven and would (or at least could) have changed since the publication of the Second Survey.

Ssteve (talk) 21:11, 27 February 2018 (EST)

2018-03

Planning on going through Verge to Glimmerdrift (Trailing to Spinward)

2018-04

Planning on going through Reaver's Deep to Hinterworlds (Trailing to Spinward)

2018-05

Planning on going through the remainder of the Imperium

2018-06

"Publish" a new Annotated Atlas of the Imperium - Second Survey hopefully.