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Ship Hierarchy / Organization Links (2019)[edit]

HANDY LINKS:
FORUM DISCUSSIONS:

SHIP HIERARCHY SOURCES:

Starships CT Book 2 Ship Hierarchy
Referee's Manual MT Ship Hierarchy
Previous Wiki System by JMattera
T5 Core Rules T5 Ship Hierarchy
Agent of the Imperium AOTI Ship Hierarchy

SHIP HIERARCHY ARTICLES:

Civilian Ship Type
Military Ship Type
Ship Mission Code
- Ship Mission Code/updates JMattera Wiki-1 System
Ship Type Code
- Ship Type Code/updates JMattera Wiki-1 System
Ship Classification
- Talk:Ship Classification

SHIP INFOBOX TEMPLATES:

Template:InfoboxShip
- Template:InfoboxShip/doc
Template:InfoboxShip2
- Template:InfoboxShip2/doc
- TJonesLow Ship Template implemented at Beowulf, PF SLoan, Tigress, etc.
- And Alegoric experiment at F-12 class Light Fighter and several others
Template:InfoboxShip3
- Template:InfoboxShip3/doc
Template:Ship size categories
Template:Ship summary list
Template:Hull summary list.display
Template:Ship summary list.display

NAV BARS:

Starship-Nav-Bar-Two-2019CE 2019 Bar - Updated from earlier bar.
Military starship nav bar 2016-19 Bar

Notes (2019)[edit]

This is the system that I implemented at the wiki after extensive discussion with selected members of the Inner Circle and that was approved by MWM.

It doesn't fully reconcile with the earlier wiki ship classifications system (..by the amazing Jmattera) or with every Trav edition, but it is as close a workable compromise as is probably possible.
If you have a better system and are reading this, please contact the current Traveller RPG Wiki administrator. We should all be open to change and improvement where it is warranted.

Imperial Ship Classification
#	Level	Designation	Synopsis	Example/s
1.	Ship Mission Codes	SUPRACLASS	MISSION	Free Trader AKA Merchant It is also known as Ship Mission, Ship Mission Code, Mission, Ship Hull Designation, or Supraclass.
2.	Ship Type Codes	SUPERCLASS	TYPE	Type A class Free Trader It is also known as Ship Type, Superclass, Ship Type Code, Craft Type Code, or simply Type.
3.	Ship Class Codes	CLASS	CLASS	Beowulf class Free Trader It designation is also known as Ship Class, Ship Class Code, or simply Class.
4.	Ship Model Codes	MODEL	TL & Model	TL-14 Beowulf Build Models aren’t always mentioned, but if they are, they are usually referred to by a TL designation.
5.	Ship Bloc Codes	LOT or BLOC	Named Ship	“The Lonesome Wolf” of ‘Bloc 312-1115d’ Ship Lots or Bloc Codes are rarely used except by naval shipyards, patrol craft, and the like. They are recorded in the ship’s computer as well as a number of places on the hull.

INTERNAL LINK: Ship Mission Code (#1. Top Level)
INTERNAL LINK: Ship Type Code (#2. Second Level)
INTERNAL LINK: Ship Class Code (#3. Third and most common level)

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 09:52, 2 May 2019 (EDT)

Military Auxilaries (2019)[edit]

COMPLETED: Blend Combat Support Ship and Military Auxiliary

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 13:59, 6 June 2019 (EDT)

Notes - Research (2019)[edit]

Major ship classification systems compared from CT to WIKI.

Letter Code Comparison
Ltr	CT GDW	MT GDW	T5.10 MWM	AOTI MWM	Wiki-1 Jmattera	Wiki-2 MSmelchak	Remarks
A	Auxiliary	Merchant Vessel	Trader	Auxiliary, Minor; Secondary Modifier: Armored	Trader	A-class Merchant Vessels (Tramps - Cargo & Low-volume Passengers) Military Auxiliaries now go to Q-class Traders or Tramps remain All manner of traders: Free, Deep, Far, etc.	Somewhat consistent. Slightly conflicted.
B	Battleship	Battleship	Boat, Beagle	Battleship, Battle, Primary, Capital, Dreadnought, Ship-of-the-Line; Secondary Modifier: Beam	Battleship	B-class Battleships Monitors included Dreadnoughts included	Mostly consistent.
C	Cruiser	Cruiser	Cruiser	Cruiser	Cruiser	C-class Cruisers No need to change. Weight tonnage cruisers remain Corvettes go to E-class Small (speed) Cruisers go to E-class	Completely consistent.
D	Destroyer	Destroyer	Defender	Secondary Modifier: Monitor	Defender (SDB)	D-class Destroyers Anything not a destroyer goes to E-class Defenders and SDBs go to H-class	Mostly consistent.
E	Escort	Escort	Corvette, Escort	Unused	Corvette, Escort	E-class Escorts Includes all manner of tiny vessels Brigs, Corvettes, FACs, Sloops, etc. Patrol ships here if military and Imperial Navy. Otherwise to H-class.	Mostly consistent.
F	Frigate	Fighter, Frigate	Freighter	Fighter; Secondary Modifier: Fast or Flag	Fighter, Freighter, Frigate	F-class Fighters Only fighters now Fighters = Dedicated combatant smallcraft (...mostly) Fighters bigger than 100 tons go to E-class or elsewhere Non-combat-dedicated utility smallcraft go to U-class Frigates go to E-class Freighters go to A, M, R, or T-class	Somewhat consistent. Slightly conflicted.
G	Commercial Vessel	Refinery Vessel	Corvette Frigate	Unused	Industrial Vessel, Frigate	G-class Industrial Vessels (Commercial) Frigates and Corvettes go to E-class Refinery Ag / Farming Factory Ships Refinery ships Largecraft tug	Somewhat consistent. Slightly conflicted.
H	Fuel Tanker	Hunter Vessel	Ortillery Ship	Unused	Ortillery Ship, Security Vessel	H-class Security Vessels Defenders (SDBs) Hunter Vessels remain Sentinels Patrol Ships here unless dedicated Imperial Navy escorts at E-class Quarantine Ships here or in special missions at Z-class Ortillery Ships (Siege) go to O-class Tankers go to T-class	Somewhat consistent. Slightly conflicted.
I	Intruder Vessel	Intruder Vessel	Unused	Unused	Assault Transport, Intruder Vessel	I-class Combat Transports Includes troop transports, assault landers, etc,	Somewhat consistent.
J	Intruder Vessel	Intruder Vessel	Prospector, Seeker	Unused	Prospector, Seeker	J-class Prospector Vessels Prospectors and seekers remain Intruders go to I-class	Somewhat consistent. Slightly conflicted.
K	Courier Vessel, Safari Ship	Courier Vessel, Safari Ship	Safari Ship, Expedition Ship	Secondary Modifier: Strike	Expedition Ship, Safari Ship	K-class Expedition Ships Colony Ships Exploration Vessels Safari Ships Beagles Couriers go to X-class or S-class if they are S/Cs	Mostly consistent.
L	Lab Ship	Lab Ship	Lab Ship	Secondary Modifier: Lander	Lab Ship	L-class Science Vessels Lab Ships No change whatsoever	Completely consistent.
M	Merchant Vessel	Merchant Vessel	Liner	Secondary Modifier: Missile	Liner	M-class Merchant Vessels (Freighters - Bulk Freight) No changes although most named liners go to R-class	Mostly consistent.
N	Unused	Ferry	Survey Ship, Monitor, Medical Ship	Unused	Hospital Ship	N-class Medical Ships Ferries go to Q-class or U-class	Somewhat consistent. Slightly conflicted.
O	Ordnance Vessel	Unused	Unused	Secondary Modifier: Orbital	Ortillery Vessel	O-class Ortillery Vessels Bombardment Ship Siege Engine etc. Military Ordinance vessels go to Q-class	Inconsistent. Slightly conflicted.
P	Fighter	Planetoid Vessel	Corsair Vessel, Marauder, Patrol Ship, Picket Ship, Privateer,	Unused	Corsair Vessel, Patrol Ship, Fighter	P-class Corsair Vessels Fighters all go to F-class Planetoids get spread around by their role and function (P is a secondary modifier) Raiders become PR Q-ships become PQ Marauders Privateers	Somewhat consistent. Slightly conflicted.
Q	Military Specialty, Decoy	Auxiliary, Decoy	Unused	Secondary Modifier: Quarantine (Obsolete)	Auxiliary, Decoy	Q-class Military Auxiliary/s Decoys Military Speciality All manner of military auxiliaries Hospital remain at N-class Q-ships go to P-class	Somewhat consistent. Slightly conflicted.
R	Liner, Battle Rider	Liner, Raider Vessel	Raider Vessel, Merchant Vessel	Secondary Modifier: Rider	Merchant Vessel, Raider Vessel	R-class Merchant Vessels (Liners - Medium Cargo & Medium-volume Passengers) R now a dedicated merchant code Raiders go to PR Battle riders now classified by role or size (...becomes a secondary modifier)	Somewhat consistent. Slightly conflicted.
S	Scout Vessel	Scout Vessel	Scout Vessel, Courier, Messenger, Sentinel	Siege Engine; Secondary Modifier: Slow	Scout Vessel	S-class Scout Vessels Sieges go to O-class Includes all sorts of other Scout vessels, but not explorers, which go to K-class expeditions	Mostly consistent. An inconsistency.
T	Tenders, Transports	Tankers, Tenders, Transports	Tenders, Transports, Tugs, Assault Ship	Unused	Tankers & Transports	T-class Tankers & Transports (Bulk Trade Freight) T-class are now dedicated transports and tankers Tenders go to V-class or elsewhere depending on role Patrol ships go to E-class if escorts and H-class if system defenders or security vessels Tugs go to G-class, Q-class, or U-class depending on size and user.	Mostly consistent.
U	Utility Craft	Tug	Packet Ship	Unused,	Utility Craft	U-class Utility Vessels & Utility Craft Packets ships go to X-class Ferries Smallcraft tug Jump Ship Jump cabooses, jump ferries that are not tenders Tugs remain or go to Q-class if military-dedicated Includes U-class smallcraft except fighters, which are F-class	Somewhat consistent. Slightly conflicted.
V	Carrier	Carrier	Destroyer	Carrier	Carrier	V-class Subcraft Carriers Carriers Tenders Some tenders go to X-class (Xboat tenders) or T-class if commercial Other possibilities are available although rare	Completely consistent.
W	Space Station (Orbital Complex)	Barge	Barge	Unused	Space Station, Barge	W-class Space Stations & Satellites & Barges (System Craft - Non-Interstellar) Includes little to no drive and no mission beyond the star system Might include far system craft or stations	Somewhat consistent. Slightly conflicted.
X	Unused	Express Ship	Express Ship	Unused	Communication Vessel, Tender	X-class Communication Vessels X-boats X-boat tenders Packets Dedicated non-military couriers Alternate mail ships Relay Ships etc.	Mostly consistent.
Y	Yacht	Yacht	Yacht	Unused	Yacht	Y-class Yachts (Private Craft) All manner of privately owned craft Including commuter or passenger smallcraft if system-dedicated and not elsewhere	Completely consistent.
Z	Experimental Craft (Hybrid)	Experimental Craft	Unclassified Ship	Unused	Unclassified Ship, Experimental Craft	Z class Special Mission Ships Unclassified Ships Experimental Craft Special missions of all types that don't fit elsewhere Hybrid experimental craft	Mostly consistent.

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 13:54, 16 May 2019 (EDT)

Table Discussion[edit]

It might ease some of the Class Code difficulties for T5/AotI if one remembers that the ACS (civilian, military and paramilitary) and BCS (largely military, with a few large civilian/commercial types) ship classification systems are largely independent of one another. Since ACS vs. BCS is clearly indicated by tonnage, an ACS and a BCS ship could potentially use the same code for different meanings, without significant ambiguity. The place where one would want to maintain a basic level of consistency would be among naval vessels across the ACS/BCS divide.

--WHULorigan (talk) 09:41, 17 June 2019 (EDT)

Thanks for your expert advice, Wayne.

The Size-cat characteristics (ACS, BCS, etc.) are certainly independent of Ship Mission Codes.

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 12:47, 17 June 2019 (EDT)

Marc's BCS mission codes are usually only modifier codes, omitting the mission.

I also see that the table also is in error, propagating the High Guard mistake of switching R (merchant) and M (liner).

- Rje (talk) 16:36, 17 March 2022 (EDT)

Interstellar Trade Boundaries (2019)[edit]

Pg. 25, 38-40 GT-Far Trader
- Cargo Types
  - Wet Bulk
  - Dry Bulk
  - Breakbulk
  - Container
  - RO/RO
Pg. 53 GT-Far Trader
- Cargo (Non-bulk) vs. Freight (Bulk) vs. Passengers
- (Tramp vs. Trader) & (Freighter vs. Liner)
Pg. 55 GT-Far Trader
- Bulk, Dry
- Bulk, Gas
- Bulk, Liquid
- Breakbulk
Need to define these categories so everything can be consistent
- Breakbulk: Consisting of several individual small and different sized items, loads, or units.
- Breakbulk Cargo: Packaged but non-containerized cargo. Loose cement, grains, ores, etc., are termed bulk cargo, whereas cargo shipped as a unit (bags, bales, barrels, boxes, cartons, drums, pallets, sacks, vehicles, etc.) is termed break bulk.
- Bulk: Unpackaged, homogenous, dry or liquid goods, without mark or count and usually free-flowing, bought and sold by weight or volume, such as grains, oils, and ores.
- Cargo: Goods carried on a ship, aircraft, or motor vehicle.
  - All articles, goods, materials, merchandise, or wares carried onboard an aircraft, ship, train, or truck, and for which an air waybill, or bill of lading, or other receipt is issued by the carrier. It includes livestock, but usually does not include bunkers (fuel for powering the vessel or vehicle), accompanying baggage, vessel or vehicle's equipment and spare parts, mail, and stores. Personnel carried onboard are classified as crew or passengers.
- Freight: Goods transported in bulk by truck, train, ship, or aircraft.
  - 1. A charge paid for carriage or transportation of goods by air, land, or sea.
  - 2. A colloquial term for freight charge. Goods may be transported on freight-prepaid or freight-collect basis: (1) If the freight is paid by the consignor (as under C&F and CIF terms) the goods remain the consignor's property until their delivery is taken by the consignee upon their arrival at the destination, and payment of the consignor's invoice. (2) If freight is paid by the consignee (as under FOB terms) the goods become the consignee's property when handed over to the carrier against a bill of lading.
- Container, Containerized: Stowed and shipped, and handled and delivered, as a unit load device (ULD).
- Unit load device (ULD): Standardized cargo container for air, land, or sea transportation.

Merchant Vessels now formally spread across A, M, R, and T-class with occasional support from others

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 20:05, 2 June 2019 (EDT)

Merchant Vessel Letter Code Comparison
Class	Mission Class Codes	Indication/s (Mission)	Freight Volume	Remarks
A-class	Merchant Vessels (Tramps)	Non-Bulk Freight (Cargo & Low-volume Passengers)	Low	Military Auxiliaries now go to Q-class Traders or Tramps remain All manner of traders: Free, Deep, Far, etc.
R-class	Merchant Vessels (Liners)	Non-Bulk Freight (Medium Cargo & Medium-volume Passengers)	Medium	R now a dedicated merchant code Raiders go to PR Battle riders now classified by role or size (...becomes a secondary modifier)
M-class	Merchant Vessels (Freighters)	Bulk Freight	High	No changes although most named liners go to R-class
T-class	Merchant Vessels (Tankers & Transports)	Bulk Freight	Very High	T-class are now dedicated transports and tankers Tenders go to V-class or elsewhere depending on role Patrol ships go to E-class if escorts and H-class if system defenders or security vessels Tugs go to Q-class or U-class

The confusion between R and M must be switched, and I want us to re-evaluate the decisions made here. Rje (talk) 16:41, 17 March 2022 (EDT)

Ship Navbar (2019)[edit]

Line Combatants (Primary Combatants)

B-class Battleship
C-class Cruiser
O-class Orty
V-class Carrier

Escort Combatants (Secondary Combatants)

D-class Destroyer
E-class Escort
F-class Fighter
H-class Defender & Security

Military Auxiliary (Tertiary Combatants)

I-class Combat Transport
Q-class Combat Support
S-class Scout
U-class Utility
X-class Commo
Z-class Spec-Miss

Mercantile Commercial Ships

A-class Merchant
M-class Liner
R-class Liner
T-class Transport

Non-Mercantile Commercial Ships

G-class Commercial Industrial
J-class Prospectors
P-class Corsair
U-class Utility

Non-Commercial Ships

K-class Expedition
L-class Research
N-class Medical
Y-class Private

System Craft

WO-class Space stations (Orbital Complexes)
WS-class Satellites
WB-class Barges

Ship Types Notes (2018)[edit]

I've been informed, though can't confirm, the book Agent of the Imperium has a new set of ship type codes. Because the wiki uses our own set of Ship type codes, Ship Hull Designations, Military Starship Types, and Civilian Starship Types.

Can someone post the list from the book to see what changes we would need to make to synchronize the two lists.

- Tjoneslo (talk) 12:25, 7 January 2018 (EST)

Yes, I will post some of my notes.

We should also post at CotI and at FB.

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 16:36, 7 January 2018 (EST)

Agent of the Imperium Notes (2017-19)[edit]

Imperial Navy Ship Classification per Agent

Agent type	Agent Type Code	Wiki Type	Wiki type Code
Minor ¹	A	Auxiliary	A
Battle ²	B	Battle	B
Cruiser	C	Cruiser	C
Seige	S	SmallCraft	S 》 U or F or Q
Carrier	V	Carrier	V

Here the only real difference is the S (Seige vs Smallcraft).

¹ - aka Auxiliary.
² - aka Battleship, Capital Ship, Dreadnought, Primary, Ship-of-the-Line.

ID-2/3: Mission-2:

These are largely T5 MODIFIER codes, rather than primary codes. Rje (talk) 16:51, 17 March 2022 (EDT)

Agent Mission	Agent Mission Code	T5 Mission Modifier	Wiki Mission (Primary Tasking)	Wiki Mission code
Armored	A	Armored	Heavy 》 Tramp Vessel	A
Beam, Battle	B	Battle	Battle	B
Monitor	D	Defense	Destroyer	D
Fast	F	Fast	Frigate 》 Fighter	F
Flag	F	Flag	*	F
Fighter	F	-	*	F
Strike	K	-	Courier 》 Expedition	K
Lander	L	Lifeboat	Light 》 Lab	L
Missile	M	-	Missile 》 Freighter	M
Orbital	O	-	*	O
Quarantine	Q	Quarantine	Decoy 》 Combat Support Ship	Q
Rider	R	Rider	Rider 》 Liner	R
Slow	S	Slow	Strike 》 Scout	S

Extended Ship Classification System XSCS: "Where Primary Classification addresses Dreadnoughts and their brethren, the Extended Classification system is more comprehensive and includes a much wider range of ships. The system is too extensive to be addressed here." (Annotated PDF, p. 230)

AOTI Novel Ship List[edit]

ID-1/2/3:	Type:	        Remarks:	             Page/s
* BB Ikaniil	BB  (Capital)	Beam Battleship	             - (Pgs. 9, 18)
* BKF Kobokoon	BKF (Capital)	Strike Battleship, Flag      - (Pgs. 29, 34 (per footnote in annotated PDF version, p.21))
* CB Stalwart	CB  (Capital)	Battlecruiser, INS Stalwart. - (Pg. 38 (per footnote in annotated PDF version, p.28))
* ISS Talon	ISS (Capital)	Imperial Scout Service (Cruiser) - (Pgs. 45, 50)
* BF Extreme	BF  (Capital)	Battleship, Flag             - (Pgs. 52, 56 (per footnote in annotated PDF version, p.39))
* AF Ukaammur	AF  (Non-capital) Fast Auxiliary/Fleet Corvette Ukaammur - (Pgs. 57, 60 (per footnote in annotated PDF version, p.44 - "AF. Auxiliary Fast. 
                                                                              The code is potentially ambiguous: it could equally be interpreted as Auxiliary Flag or 
                                                                              Auxiliary Fighter (both of which make little sense)."))
* BB Courageous BB  (Capital)	Beam Battleship	             - (Pgs. 62- 63)
* AF Kadalesh	AF  (Non-capital) [??]                       - (Pgs. 65, 67)
* [Lioness Class] [??] (Capital)  [??]                       - (Pg. 65)
* BBF Courageous BBF (Capital)	Beam Battleship, Flag        - (Pgs. 67, 250 (per footnote in annotated PDF version, p.50))
* BB Inarik	BB  (Capital)	Beam Battleship	             - (Pg. 84)
* BKF Basiiri	BKF (Capital)	Strike Battleship, Flag      - (Pg. 100 (per footnote in annotated PDF version, p.74))
* INS Argushii	[AF?]           TF-HA63	                     - (Pgs. 111, 122, 227-228 (TF = Fast Transport, per footnote in annotated PDF version, p.83))
* BMF Koliliss	BMF (Capital)   Missile Battleship, Flag     - (Pg. 116-117, 119-120 (per footnote in annotated PDF version, p.87))
* BB Kokaasii	BB  (Capital)	Beam Battleship	             - (Pg. 96-99: annotated PDF version).
* [Yacht]	???	        Marquis Pryden.	             - (Pg. x)
* BK Lioness			                             - (Pgs. 189-190, 200-201, 206, 211)

Hey Thomas, please note that my notes aren't 100% complete. I still need to review the rest of the book for this kind of detail.

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 17:35, 7 January 2018 (EST)

Thank you, Wayne for upgrading the list.

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 07:19, 18 June 2019 (EDT)

From Marc on the AOTI codes:

The US Navy has an extensive classification system for vessels (and aircraft). But the admirals and the public just say:

- Battleship - Carrier - Cruiser - Destroyer

Often while not being clear on what the mission or role is.

I do that with Battle, Siege, and Cruiser.

Marc Miller (March 19, 2022)