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Placeholder pages (2016)[edit]

Can you add a category (or Template:Incomplete ) to the pages you are creating with "Placeholder" so others can find them and fill them in later. Thanks Tjoneslo (talk) 19:15, 22 February 2016 (EST)

Sure, Tjoneslo. Although I will get to them. Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 19:16, 22 February 2016 (EST)

... and put just a little more info on the page (where you found this nugget kind of thing), so we (yes, there is a mouse in my pocket, well .. at least on the table) could expand this to be useable... Ssteve (talk) 22:08, 29 February 2016 (EST)
Ok, Steve. That's do-able. I will start adding more to those pages.
  1. The search function is my starting place to find things on the Wiki.
  2. Search for pages containing the topic rather than the page with the topic.
  3. Then search for pages linking to your page (bottom left menu).
  4. Then I start researching with hard copy to connect everything else.

That's my basic method for connecting and interlinking the pages.

  • I am working on a layout for the timeline pages so I can go back and update those.
  • That's the same method I used to develop the sector layouts and many other kids of layouts (organizational templates).
  • Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 05:56, 1 March 2016 (EST)

Template: InfoboxSector and Category: T5 Second Survey[edit]

I updated the Template:InfoboxSector and it no longer needs to have these parameters:

|climatefile = true
|list        = true
|sectorfile  = true
|trademap    = true

They have been removed in favor of checking if the supporting page exists, which makes is much friendlier.

|sectordata  = true

This parameters are still supported, but you shouldn't add it unless the Traveller Map has the underlying data page to support it. Otherwise the user gets an error when the click the link (bad).

Finally: The T5 Second Survey category is supposed to be limited to the sectors where the survey has actually occurred. I want to make sure you don't add this unofficial sectors, or people may be confused. Tjoneslo (talk) 17:53, 5 April 2016 (EDT)

Thanks Tjoneslo, I will start updating the sector files to exclude those. Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 17:57, 5 April 2016 (EDT)
How do we find out which sectors have been reviewed by T5SS? Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 17:57, 5 April 2016 (EDT)

Updating the Race template to SophontData[edit]

As you may have noticed I'm working on replacing the Template:Race with the Template:SophontData. This new template has two changes: it is specific to the Sophonts, rather than the Race template which is used for both sophonts and creatures. Second it saves the data in the template to a Cargo table. This second will allow the data to be used in the Cargo queries, which is more flexible and faster than the DPL queries.

Most of the parameters to the templates are the same, and most of the data values are the same.

  • code is a new parameter. it should be set to the first four character of the creature name.
  • status is a new parameter, it replaces the "intel" parameter, with the same values.
  • image parameter value needs to be strip of the "", "Image:" or "File", and the final "" from the name. The template add them back in.
  • The multi, canon, and extinct parameters should be set to 1 (for yes, or extinct), or 0 (for no, or extant). I need to format these correctly in the output template.

If you can think of any other parameters that should be added please let me know. Changing the table is possible but fewer times we need to change it the better. Tjoneslo (talk) 17:08, 10 April 2016 (EDT)

If you would be kind enough to keep me informed, I will assist however I can. I will think of T5 compliant parameters. Thank you for letting me know.
Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 17:12, 10 April 2016 (EDT)

Sector Worlds 2 not working[edit]

Pasdaruu Subsector vs Pasadaruu Subsector. Note the second a in the second name. The template won't work if the names in the world articles are spelled wrong. Tjoneslo (talk) 17:19, 13 April 2016 (EDT)

Fornast, Diaspora, and Old Expanses worlds with bad data?[edit]

When are you planning on going back through all the world articles you've created in these sectors and updating them with the correct hex locations, UWP, and other information? The only thing worse than a red link on a wiki article is having one that is badly wrong.

Probably starting tomorrow, Thomas. That was my first, pass. Second pass finishes the detail. Have also been enlisting help and teaching them how.

According to the Forum:Sector_main_page_layout#World_Listing there are 10 world pages still listed in the "Zowie" sector, 58 in the "Zowie" subsector, and 18 still using the hex location of "7777"
7777 references
Zowie References
Tjoneslo (talk) 20:38, 19 July 2016 (EDT)

On my list of things to do. Cleaned out some a few days ago.

I'm bring up the bad data in the world articles because I've noticed that in addition to the 700 existing world article with missing hex locations, you are still adding more new ones with bad data. Since this is the third time I've brought this up, I'm going to be pretty insistent you go back and fix the old articles before you add more new ones. Some of these articles are more than year old. Again, no data is better than bad data.
Tjoneslo (talk) 17:10, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

They are not worlds with bad data. They are works in progress.
Does the incomplete data make your calculations difficult? Please help me to understand.
I'd love your help updating them. Please feel free anytime.
I am updating each entry as I get to it.
Thank you for the reminder.
- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 18:53, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

Please don't add the "Sunbane" category to the world pages (2016)[edit]

The Category:Sunbane was designed to hold the name of the 35 original Sunbane sectors, and not each and every world. Since most of the world have now been completely overwritten by the T5 Second Survey project.

I'm going to request this as a general rule: Please don't add the world articles to both "Category: {name}" and "Category: {name} worlds". Just add it to the latter (the "Category: {name} worlds"). The reason is the Category: {name} listing gets overwhelmed by the number of world articles and no one can find the core content of the category. Tjoneslo (talk) 15:22, 29 April 2016 (EDT)

New work for the wiki (2016)[edit]

I have two requests: one negative, one positive.

Please don't create "Placeholder" pages. The red links in the wiki serve an important purpose. They inform the reader that while a topic is important, there is no information about it yet in the wiki. So the reader knows not to click on the link, or will do so to contribute. The "Placeholder" pages discourage both behaviors.

Based upon the discussion in the this thread I wondering if you can redirect your efforts to reviewing sources for the articles. Updating the Template:Sources on each page to use Template:Ludography cite, with correct page numbers or ranges is a primary goal. There is also a Template:Page cite to be added to paragraphs of text in the article to indicate where each comes from.

If you have questions about this please let me know.

Star Data (2016)[edit]

Maksim, per the request you texted me:

1) The following canonical worlds with associated canonical stellar info have NOT been detailed on the Wiki:


2) The following non-canonical worlds with associated stellar info have NOT been detailed on the Wiki:

3) The following worlds (both canonical and non-canonical) are mentioned on the stellar data pages and have NOT been detailed on the Wiki (though they are generally NOT directly associated with the star in question):


--WHULorigan (talk) 10:23, 12 July 2016 (EDT)

Thanks, Wayne. There is so much I want to do. Wish I could do it much more often. Home sick with flu today and am unproductive. High fever so I am resting. Will try to get to these later.

Get some rest, and I hope your feeling better.

Thank you.

BTW, the following world pages also need updating:

Star page complete.

Thank you. It looks great!
Is there anything else you would like help with?
- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 19:12, 27 July 2016 (EDT)
I could detail the remaining 23 stars noted on the hand drawn map of Charted Space included on the MT-CDROM. They aren't canonically placed on Traveller Map, but they were obviously on the mind of the GDW staff back in the day. It might be interesting to see if they line up with anything (at least non-canonically).
--WHULorigan (talk) 10:38, 28 July 2016 (EDT)
Sounds great. Please let me know if I can assist or build out worlds to aid your effort. Really appreciate what you are doing. I have picked up extra jobs and responsibilities at my day job so I have had less discretionary time lately.
- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 18:51, 28 July 2016 (EDT)

Rhylanor (2016)[edit]

Concerning Rhylanor (world): Everything in the section that Greg noted as "non-Canon and of uncertain source" was already labelled as such. It all comes from:

It's ok. I spoke with him personally and made some edits. It was labelled non-canon, but the citation system isn't easy to comprehend. Can't blame anyone for that.

  • We really need to speak more with Thomas about making things MORE obvious, especially in light of this occurrence and the 2016 thread on Trav canon at CotI that W.H. Aramis eventually shut down.
  • The new sector entries without that "easy-to-swallow" meta-history section (at the top of the article) is going to encounter more episodes like this one.
  • Greg is good now. Or at least he understands where those citations are from so he can make the right use of them for his books.
  • Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 19:37, 14 July 2016 (EDT)

BTW, the Porozlo (world) and Jae Tellona (world) articles have a similar section at the bottom each (respectively) from the same External source author cited at the bottom.

Do you mind adding the same citation I used at Rhylanor on those two worlds? Please.

Thanks, Wayne. Much appreciated.

I am not having success making ludography page cites in the main text for Rhylanor for the Government section and the Starport section. I guess I do not understand the syntax well enough.

  • Rhylanor Starport ("Rhylantinople" et al): Mongoose Traveller: Starports, p. 66-71
  • Rhylanor Government:
1) Classic Traveller: DGP: Grand Census, p.25
2) GURPS Traveller: First In, p. 56, 61, 63, 75, 97, 104, 107

I fixed them in the article. The Template: Page cite and Template: Ludography cite both rely on the underlying book articles using the Template:InfoboxBook2. It is a project on the list to convert the book entries to use the updated template. Tjoneslo (talk) 23:56, 16 July 2016 (EDT)

Thank you.

I noticed that Glisten (system) has a section toward the bottom:

Alternate Versions
The RICE version of Glisten can be found here.

and then the "here" links to a page called Glisten (system)/RICE, which is in an existing page category called RICE as well. Do you think it would be helpful to do the same thing for the RICE sections of Rhylanor, Porozlo and Jae Tellona (and any other RICE sections for other world-write-ups) as well?

I think it might be more useful to think about putting all of the RICE papers together in one place. E.g. under a RICE header, with each paper as a sub-page. That way we can have them all together in the wiki. I will send Jeff Zeitlin on the Freelance Traveller site a note and see. Tjoneslo (talk) 16:15, 20 July 2016 (EDT)
Ok. Sounds great. All of the sector zowies are now gone. Digging through subsector ones.
- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 17:07, 20 July 2016 (EDT)

Kursae (2016)[edit]

The references I have found to the Kursae in T5.09 Core Rules are in the historical introduction on p.16-17, some physiological data on p.133 about their "Perception-based Poice language" called "Flash" (Poice is defined on p.173), and the fact that they regressed to TL4 on p.495. Haven't had a chance to check AotI.

Hi Wayne, thanks. I have also discovered some new things, but I think much of it is "behind the scenes" and I am reluctant to share it without the blessing of Yaskodray and FFE.

  • I am aware of "P-oice". We could maybe add that to the psionics entry... I don't know.
  • Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 08:14, 15 July 2016 (EDT)

Jump Drive (2016)[edit]

Note that "N-Space" in Traveller usually refers to "Normal Space". Jump Space is referred to either as "J-Space" or "Tau (τ)-Space".

I would move all of the non-Jump Drive (i.e. Stutterwarp, Hyperspace, Warp, etc) references in the introductory section of the Jump Drive page to the FTL page. Keep the Jump Drive page clean for the Jump Drive exclusively as it exists and/or is understood as of 1116. Put references to Jumps above J-6 (i.e. J-7 thru J-9) as well as higher order drives (Hop, Skip, etc.) on a metadata page and/or secret page associated with the Jump Drive page. You might even mention in the article something to the effect: "Jumps higher than Jump 6 are not currently possible by the current understanding of Imperial science, and in fact may not be possible according to some current theoretical models. Other proposed models hold out a greater hope for higher level jump performance, however. In any event, research is always ongoing."

I am not aware of a source that mentions that the Darrians had a J-7 drive (though I could be wrong). As a side note, in Cirque there is a brief mention of an experimental pre-Maghiz Darrian vessel with a Hop-1 drive. It didn't work correctly and was lost (and is unknown to the current Darrians/Imperium - its wreckage can be found in the campaign if one looks in the right place, but its nature is likely not apparent).

I would mention that higher performance J-Drives would require a more efficient power source such as antimatter in order to be practical, but I would leave out the TL reference (put that on a metadata page).

The Jump point defenses section needs to be completely reworded or scrapped. Aside from the fact that it does not read well, the concept of Jump Point is erroneous, as a Jump Point is not a defined "point" in a system, but rather are closed/curved two dimensional surfaces surrounding bodies at 100+ diameters, plus everything exterior to it. Placing "obstacles" would be an impossible feat.

Wayne, sounds great to me. As soon as you get a chance, please mention it to Thomas as well. Thomas, if you read this, please pipe in.
Someone appended some non-canons to the materials. I think I know whom.
- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 16:26, 7 August 2016 (EDT)

I have appended the "true" Jumpspace/Jump Drive performance data tables to the metadata pages of those two articles.

Light Speed (2016)[edit]

The assertion:
One of the first things to realize is that while Light Speed is relativistic and follows the conventional rules of astrophysics and space-time, exceeding Light Speed (FTL) requires a way to break the laws of the universe. Some call that method of breaking the laws of the universe, or at least explaining them away with special conditions, "Special Relativity". entirely incorrect. Special Relativity is the proper name Einstein gave to that portion of his Relativity theories that are concerned with the "special case" of exclusively inertial (i.e. non-accelerated) reference frames. General Relativity includes cases dealing with acceleration and gravity.

Thanks for the correction, Wayne.
Excluding special relativity, can you make this statement work? "One of the first things to realize is that while Light Speed is relativistic and follows the conventional rules of astrophysics and space-time, exceeding Light Speed (FTL) requires a way to break the laws of the universe."
- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 18:10, 6 August 2016 (EDT)

Planning to do an article on the Precipice Subsector[edit]

I am going to be getting my hands on a copy of "Disappearance on Aramat" soon and plan to do a subsector writeup based on it, though I will be making a start with the information from Traveller Map. I noticed that "Aramat (World) redirects to Mishkhier (world) for which you have stated the Grenadier Minitures scenario book is the resource.

I was just wondering (a.) What the linkage is between the two worlds and (b). If you would have any problems with me doing writeups based on the information in the scenario book. Graham2001 (talk) 04:04, 20 December 2016 (EST)

Hi Graham, go for it. It was a best guess based upon the clues. Feel free to contact me if I can assist.
Where do you think it should be?
- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 06:54, 20 December 2016 (EST)