Talk:Argushiigi Admegulasha Bilanidin

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Notes (2018)[edit]

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 10:50, 30 November 2018 (EST)

Discussion (2018)[edit]

"AAB Standard Library Data Entry Layout" THis is metadata that should not be part of this article. This is about the history of the AAB, not the entries. Tjoneslo (talk) 14:40, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

Ok. Thank you for stating your opinion.

- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 15:33, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

Thank you for your consideration of my opinions.
- Tjoneslo (talk) 23:51, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

"AAB Standard Library Data Entry Layout"

My understanding is that entries 1 to 4a are a written description of an in-game item, an AAB data entry.

That in-game item is described in terms we, as real-life users of metadata, see as metadata.

Entries 1 to 4a are an important part of the wiki entry as they stand because they detail the layout that the characters see when they read an AAB article, and it is the formatting that the characters use if they create (or adjust) an AAB article. If an article that the characters are reviewing is outside of the parameters of entries 1 to 4a, it may well be supurious, unofficial, or otherwise unreliable.

Alagoric (talk) 18:02, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

My concern here is the section does not fit in the over all article. The AAB article is about the institution. This section should go in a separate or sub-article about the AAB encyclopedia data. Tjoneslo (talk) 23:51, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

totally understood, many thanks. I really like the whole layers within layers aspect of it, most people who access the wiki are born delvers and investigators, and I do feel that the more valid, interesting links we can provide for them the better. It creates a deeper, richer user experience and that's nothing but good. Are there many canon examples of actual AAB entries? – just thinking that having an example or two for users to sidetrack onto would be worthwhile. There might be a potential source or two for AAB-related material in Jae Campbell's Dagudashaag stuff. Cheers mate.
Alagoric (talk) 04:27, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

The original Library Data entries followed the format of an old style work like Encyclopedia Britannia: An entry name followed by a wall of text. You can see this in the Imperial Encyclopedia. This style of entry relies heavily on writing/editing to maintain organization of the entries.
The layout presented here is entirely Maksim's invention. It's a derivative of the style presented in Wikipedia. Section headers are used to provide organization. Though Wikipedia is a more flexible about the presence or absence of the organization headers to what's appropriate to the article. The header format organization makes more sense for the electronic publishing.
My thought of this would point at the Manual of Style as the working example of the AAB Entries. There are multiple variations for the different kinds of entries. Tjoneslo (talk) 06:43, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

It actually came from discussion with many of the old timers. I'm trying to get their permission to cite them.
It's derived from old OSS files. I resurrected the idea.
The first library data files from old Keith Bros. notes came in two forms, the data monologue and the more proper file like this one. The Keith Bros. actually cited the AAB in many entries/publications such as CT SS-2 Exotic Atmospheres, which I have been quoting lately.
- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 10:02, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

You mentioned the Description/Dossier distinction and the idea of the source when you first proposed the idea. Do you have an online link to a more detailed history or description of the idea? Or at least some terms to run into the Google Machine? Not having a background in diplomacy I find the difference between a description and a dossier is a little vague.
Also didn't you change the format to use slashes e.g. "History & Background / Dossier" ? Tjoneslo (talk) 14:06, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

No, most of that data came from BBS and earlier days before everything was recorded and archived on the internet. A lot of it is hand written notes that I need to scan at some point. Discussion of Trav using a regular Library Data format, not just the paragraphed monologues.
I'll see what I can find for you on OSS and CIA files. Some of it must be online by now.
I am okay with multiple formats running at the same time or even mixes of the formats. Slashed, parentheses, upper case, lower case... it all makes it seem more real.
- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 21:44, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

I would like to open by saying that, in general, I agree with Tjoneslo that the good and solid material put forth by Maksim-Smelchak concerning "AAB Standard Library Data Entry Layout" should be a separate article or section. Ideally, in my opinion, it would be incorporated, as hinted above, as a part of the Manual of Style. While the wonderful thing about wiki, also noted above, is the incredible format flexibility that exists, there are some wikis that use a 'Featured Article' concept in which there are specific guidelines that must be met to qualify for featuring.
If the AAB layout is the exemplar for this wiki, then having it as a Manual of Style format seems fitting. And then rewarding those articles that meet that guideline in some way would be the motivation for authors to leverage that style in their submission, contributions, and edits. Thanks for the chance to provide input. FarScout275 (talk) 04:47, 29 April 2018 (EDT)

FarScout275, you are in luck. That material is in fact part of the Manual of Style and has been for some time.
  • And, yes, it's taken some time to develop a sense of style for the wiki, to draw it all together, develop citation standards, and keep it rolling forward.
  • It couldn't have been done without folks like you and TJonesLo.
  • Really appreciate your hard work, FarScout275. Thank you! Your articles really add a lot to the wiki.
- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 06:06, 29 April 2018 (EDT)

Intermediate Articles[edit]

These are longer articles which collect several paragraphs or more of data and use an organizational format of several headers and sometimes a template as well. The basic structure for intermediate articles, also known as commonplace or mainstream articles is:

  1. Manual of Style#Infobox templates (no heading), at the top of the article for the articles where it is appropriate. Some articles may have more than one infobox. Many types of articles do not have an infobox at all.
  2. Synopsis (no header, designed to float at the top of an article). Think of them as a sort of executive summary for the reader. Quick, direct information and definition. A Synopsis should optimally be one to three sentences long. Articles with referral trees place them below the synopsis.
  3. Description (Specifications), a two-point heading. Descriptions sometimes have a parenthetical helping to define what kind of description is suggested to be used. In the case of a goods article, it is a basic description of the item. In the case of a VIP, or personage, it is a description of the character of the sophont, a sort of mini biography of the most important things the sophont did. In other cases, it is a direct description of the focus of the article. The description should optimally be a collection of factual, objective data. Less factual data and subjective opinions go below under the history and background heading.
  4. History & Background (Dossier), a two-point heading. The dossier or file is an indirect description of the focus of the article. It is commentary, opinions, sociographic notes, and storyline features such as history or background.
  5. References & Contributors (Sources), a two point heading. Article refinement templates, Sources template, metadata template, secrets template, other notes or remarks, and categories templates and categories are all placed here.

Thank you for your consideration of my opinions and for the compliments, Maksim-Smelchak.
FarScout275 (talk) 06:53, 29 April 2018 (EDT)

Very welcome.

Did we make contact at CotI?
- Maksim-Smelchak (talk) 07:22, 29 April 2018 (EDT)